Ukraine crisis: Petro Poroshenko says country is 'ready for total war' with Russia

abc.net.au ^ | 11/16/2014

[McGruff]

Ukrainian president Petro Poroshenko claimed his country was "prepared for total war" as fighting continued around the pro-Russian rebel stronghold of Donetsk in eastern Ukraine.

Fresh volleys of artillery fire were heard across many parts of Donetsk yesterday (local time), fuelling fears of a military build-up amongst rebel forces

[wrench]

The previous government was corrupt. The present government is corrupt, the next Ukraine government will be just as corrupt.

It is systematic in that part of the world.

[Greetings_Puny_Humans]

Thanks for that info! I was still going off old information.

[FreeReign]

The previous government was corrupt. The present government is corrupt, the next Ukraine government will be just as corrupt. It is systematic in that part of the world.

Sure.

Not like in this part of the world where we have no government corruption.

Wait a minute...it's worse here.

[vladimir998]

“The Ukrainians are strong and worthy, and that’s why Patriots of all countries should be backing them up.”

Amen!

[Grzegorz 246]

Ah you missed the key part:

“We are prepared for a scenario of total war ... We don't want war, we want peace and we are fighting for European values. But Russia does not respect any agreement,” he said in an interview to be published today.

Mr Poroshenko said Kiev was now better prepared to face a rumoured rebel offensive.

“More than anything we want peace, but we must at the moment face up to the worst-case scenario,” he told the paper.

- you missed it accidentally of course, right :))))) ?

[GeronL]

Not nearly as corrupt as Moscow

[wrench]

Corruption is not just limited to a few of the former and current Soviet states, they all worship at the alter of corruption.

Conservatives in this country fear government corruption, somewhat, but nothing like the average citizen in Russia or any of the former USSR states.

[GeronL]

bump

[navyblue]

Umm, Petro, maybe you should take a deep breath, take a step back and think this one out.

[Greetings_Puny_Humans]

Umm, Petro, maybe you should take a deep breath, take a step back and think this one out.

The Russkies starved to death between 7 to 11 million Ukrainians in the Holodomor, on top of the other mass murders, deportations and rapes committed by that country. Today, Russians are chopping off the heads of Ukrainian soldiers and mailing the heads to the parents. They are cutting off fingers, burning people alive, beating women's faces into mush before or after gang raping them, and are threatening to invade the whole country to rid the world of "Nazism."

This has been well thought out already. The only response is the gun.

[wetphoenix]

LOL. It is not if we haven’t heard it before.

Goebbels ‘Sportpalast speech’ was basically around the same lines.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sportpalast_speech
The Sportpalast speech (German: Sportpalastrede, Sports-Palace speech) or total war speech was a speech delivered by German Propaganda Minister Joseph Goebbels at the Berlin Sportpalast to a large but carefully selected audience on 18 February 1943 calling for a total war, as the tide of World War II had turned against Nazi Germany and its Axis allies.

It is considered the most famous of Joseph Goebbels’s speeches.[1] The speech was the first public admission by the Nazi leadership that Germany faced serious dangers. Goebbels exhorted the German people to continue the war even though it would be long and difficult because—as he asserted—both Germany’s survival and the survival of a non-Bolshevist Europe were at stake.

Goebbels cited three theses in the speech:[2]

If the Wehrmacht was not in a position to break the danger from the Eastern front, then the German Reich would fall to Bolshevism, and all of Europe shortly afterwards;[2]
The Wehrmacht, the German people, and the Axis Powers alone had the strength to save Europe from this threat;[2]
Danger was at hand. Germany had to act quickly and decisively, or it would be too late.[2]
Goebbels concluded that “two thousand years of Western history are in danger” and blamed Germany’s failures on the Jews. While Goebbels referred to Soviet mobilization nationwide as “devilish”, he explained that “we cannot overcome the Bolshevist danger unless we use equivalent, though not identical, methods [in a] total war”. He then justified the austerity measures enacted, explaining them as temporary measures.[1]

Historically, the speech is important in that it marks the first admission by the Party leadership that they were facing problems, and launched the mobilization campaign that, arguably, prolonged the war, under the slogan: “And storm, break loose!” (Und Sturm, brich los!). Goebbels claimed that no German was thinking of any compromise and instead that “the entire nation is only thinking about a hard war”.

[wetphoenix]

~Not nearly as corrupt as Moscow~

LOL. In Russia they might award a public contract to a crony at inflated price or if you run business and dumb enough to set yourself in a position you don’t have legal way out you might become a subject to bribe shakedown but if you would be smart enough to keep evidence and lawyer up you can save yourself the trouble and send corrupt official to prison.

In Ukraine it is common to have public contracts on paper only and share the funds between officials and noone ever consider to make any deal with a government unless one is ready to bribe official. And if you are getting screwed us a result anyway don’t even think to fight or you end up dead or imprisoned.

If mafia is planning a hit in Ukraine, they are calling police and offering current shift a coffee machine to a briefing room and some five thousand dollars to share between officers to postpone response and halt investigation.

Probably similar to Mexico or Colombia, not Russia for sure.

[dfwgator]

Not nearly as corrupt as Moscow

Or any Rat-run city in this country.

[navyblue]

I am aware of the history when Russian put Ukraine in a state of famine. I was not aware of the atrocities that you describe which I take to be recent. My comment was for him to think twice about taking on Russia in a total war.

[The Ghost of FReepers Past]

In other worlds Ukraine does not pay back its loans if it decides it shouldn’t have to? I hope others pay attention before they extend them loans.

[Greetings_Puny_Humans]

Goebbels ‘Sportpalast speech’ was basically around the same lines.

Thanks for the retard Nazi reference Russkie. You get 2 points with the Lubyanka and maybe will get a chance of being the Russkie troll of the month. I hear that gets you an extra bottle of vodka.

By the way, here are some Nazi Ukrainians for you to hiss and boo at:

Praviya Sector Chief of Communications Borislav Bereza:

Nathan Chazin, a battalion commander of Right Sector in East Ukraine, former soldier of the IDF:

Some more Right Sector Jews:

Asher Cherkassky, religious Jew fighting in the Dniper Battalion with support of his rabbi.

Another Jew is training the Ukrainian military in IDF tactics to better kill the Palestinians of the Slavic world-- the Russkies:

http://ukrainianjewishencounter.org/en/media1/media-kit/latest-news/367-israeli-training-ukrainian-forces

And as a bonus, an evil racist Asian Nazi in Right Sector. Because nothing says "This is a Nazi organization" more than putting the Asian to work on a computer:

[Greetings_Puny_Humans]

In other worlds Ukraine does not pay back its loans if it decides it shouldn’t have to? I hope others pay attention before they extend them loans.

Presumably other people who would loan money to them wouldn't rape their women half to death or annex larges chunks of the country, Putinista.

[The Ghost of FReepers Past]

Just so we are straight. Ukraine is declining help with this war they are ready for? I mean if they are ready, why need help.

[Greetings_Puny_Humans]

Just so we are straight. Ukraine is declining help with this war they are ready for? I mean if they are ready, why need help.

They're ready for total war. That means little old men in the woods with battalions of young folks with no training aiming their rifles at Russkie occupation forces. It means resisting the Russkies with everything they've got. All real Americans should admire that and give their aid. Well, but not everyone posting here is really a real American, unfortunately.

[wetphoenix]

"The concentration camp system owed its stability in no small way to a cadre of kapos, who took over the daily operations of the camp, relieving the SS personnel. Thus, absolute power was ubiquitous. Without the delegation of power, the system of discipline and supervision would have promptly disintegrated. The rivalry over supervisory, administrative and warehouse functionary jobs was, for the SS, just a welcome opportunity to pit groups of prisoners against each other and keep them dependent. The normal prisoner, however, was at the mercy of a dual authority, the SS, who often hardly seemed to be at the camp, and the prisoner functionaries, who were always there." —Eugen Kogon, concentration camp survivor