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9 facts that explain why Obama is about to help millions of immigrants
Vox ^ | November 16, 2014 | Dara Lind

Posted on 11/17/2014 11:21:52 AM PST by EveningStar

President Obama is expected to announce major changes to immigration policy before the end of 2014 -- and possibly as soon as this week. On one level, this is the end of a process that started in March, when the administration first announced it was reviewing deportation policy to see how it could be made more humane. On another level, though, this is another phase in the development of an immigration system that's been transformed over the last 20 years.

To understand how we got to this point, it's necessary to understand why immigration policy looks so different now than it did back then. Massive relief to millions of unauthorized immigrants would be an unprecedented move on Obama's part -- but it is also a reaction against trends in immigration enforcement that are themselves unprecedented.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Editorial; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: aliens; amnesty; criminals; illegalaliens; immigration; obama
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To: erkelly
We control most of the States now. Obama is a coward. He won't fight. Look at the Cliven Bundy incident. The Feds under Obama backed down and ran away when confronted by a little determined and armed resistance by an informal militia on horseback. Obama certainly won't stand up to 40 governors with police forces and national guard troops.

Plus, there's no slavery issue to fan the emotional fires now. Conservatives are just saying that Liberals aren't their countrymen. We're just asking everybody to recognize a simple fact - that we're not "united" states anymore. We're just not. Nothing to get all emotional about there. It's sad, but we all know it's true.

41 posted on 11/17/2014 5:10:29 PM PST by Gluteus Maximus
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To: LucianOfSamasota

It just hit me what would/will happen if the President goes through with his executive order on amnesty. I haven’t heard much if anything on this take, and it is much more disruptive than offering 1-2 million immigrants (”new citizens”) some benefits at the state level.

You’ve heard the argument that the undocumented immigrants are “doing the work that Americans aren’t willing to do.” Well, once they are legalized, they’ll be ready to do work that Americans ARE willing to do - but at much lower pay! And they will not have to fear coming out of the shadows.

There will be an instant hit on low skilled workers (Walmart, fast food restaurants, hotel workers) of all demographics.

You’ll see it immediately in the construction trades. We won’t be checking if contractors are using illegals at much lower wage rates, because they won’t be illegal anymore. And it will drive lower skilled blacks and legal immigrant hispanics out of that work force, or be forced to settle for less pay. I’m surprised that we haven’t heard much uproar from those constituencies.

I realize now that this must have been the driving force behind the Minimum Wage hike movement. It took off suddenly last year, as rumblings started about legalizing undocumented immigrants.

Then you’ll see it for long-haul trucking. Rates for those drivers will drop dramatically, as they are paid per mile. New citizens will be happy to work for less, just to get away from menial labor work.

Then it will be auto mechanics and factory workers in non-union industries, who may be making $60K per year, being replaced with skilled new citizens accepting $30K. And doing just as good a job.

Then the oil field workers will start seeing lower wages as those jobs are taken by new citizens.

In about 5 years it will hit the professions.

Nurses will be replaced with new citizens willing to work for 60% of the salary.

As kids get free in-state college tuition you’ll see graduates willing to do all kinds of work for less.

No question that it will help businesses recover from a poor economy, and even allow them to offer more employment at lower salaries. And likely lead to lower prices. But it will drive more actual citizens out of the work force.

And it will make way for the next wave of illegal immigrants - from India, Pakistan, Sudan, Nigeria, Cambodia, Sweden, looking for a path to the good life.

And who would blame them? Indians and Pakistanis make $100-200 per month in the MIddle East in oppressive work conditions. Would they be willing to work for $1000/month in the US?

I don’t see a way back if this happens. Amnesty is ‘game over.’ There’s no stopping the changes after that. We will see independent communities of ethnic groups who have no need to learn the American culture, history, language and ideals that new immigrants have always strived to adopt as their own. In a word, the US would become a European country.


42 posted on 11/17/2014 9:17:49 PM PST by bigred44
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To: GOPJ

Excellent!


43 posted on 11/18/2014 3:18:03 AM PST by Guenevere
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To: jersey117

“How did this POS ever get to run this country.”

Look around you.

He’s only a reflection of what’s in every neighborhood, in every community, every city, every state. They all voted for him and they want what he’s selling.

IMHO


44 posted on 11/18/2014 5:22:20 AM PST by ripley
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To: Guenevere

Glad you liked it.


45 posted on 11/18/2014 8:19:20 AM PST by GOPJ (The New York Times is one big fat collection of Jonathan Gruber s...)
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To: A CA Guy
‘Gumball’ facts help when liberals position themselves as ‘oh-so-compassionate'... a default position elites take when losing an argument... Obama has that narcissistic bent of being ‘The One’ based on lies that gumball theory debunks.
46 posted on 11/18/2014 9:13:49 AM PST by GOPJ (The New York Times is one big fat collection of Jonathan Gruber s...)
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To: EveningStar
The source article is hostile to American interests, being written and edited by/for exclusively Prog/Communist/Non-American interests.

These guys are not friends.

47 posted on 11/18/2014 1:05:41 PM PST by lentulusgracchus ("If America was a house, the Left would root for the termites." - Greg Gutfeld)
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To: bigred44
I haven’t heard much if anything on this take, and it is much more disruptive than offering 1-2 million immigrants (”new citizens”) some benefits at the state level.

Try 25-35 million. Overall, we're talking over 50 million, legal and illegal. That's from the Houston Spanish-language paper I was reading that ran an article (that I saved somewhere) earlier this year on just how many "Hispanics" (overwhelmingly Mexican) are in Houston, in Texas, and in the States.

The Census Bureau has been lying like a dog for years.

48 posted on 11/18/2014 1:08:39 PM PST by lentulusgracchus ("If America was a house, the Left would root for the termites." - Greg Gutfeld)
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To: LucianOfSamasota
Immigrants, or aliens?

Disingenuous agitprop term-of-art. They know the difference .... and keep lying about it. Hello, Lucian.

49 posted on 11/18/2014 1:10:12 PM PST by lentulusgracchus ("If America was a house, the Left would root for the termites." - Greg Gutfeld)
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To: A CA Guy
.... create a massive new taker Democrat voter base....

BZZZZT! Pleonasm ! Five yards, repeat third down.

50 posted on 11/18/2014 1:12:13 PM PST by lentulusgracchus ("If America was a house, the Left would root for the termites." - Greg Gutfeld)
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To: stinkerpot65
....brutal oppression of conservatives and Christians.

The Leninist shorthand for that is, "the Main Enemy".

The fairest, freest, most welcoming, most affable, most affluent, most tyrannicidal, most liberating, ..... but why go on? The greatest people to have walked the earth since the time of Pericles, and perhaps for all time.

Gotta stamp those people out, to make despots and totalitarian monsters safe from their victims.

51 posted on 11/18/2014 1:18:40 PM PST by lentulusgracchus ("If America was a house, the Left would root for the termites." - Greg Gutfeld)
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To: DoughtyOne

Yep.... I actually wasted 4 minutes of my life reading through these liberal talking points


52 posted on 11/18/2014 1:23:37 PM PST by dennisw (The first principle is to find out who you are then you can achieve anything -- Buddhist monk)
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To: dennisw

You’ll never get them back. I’m sorry... LOL


53 posted on 11/18/2014 1:31:47 PM PST by DoughtyOne (The mid-term elections were perfect for him. Now Obama can really lead from behind.)
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To: DoughtyOne

When you are younger you don’t care about 4 minutes subtracted from your time on earth.


54 posted on 11/18/2014 2:02:54 PM PST by dennisw (The first principle is to find out who you are then you can achieve anything -- Buddhist monk)
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To: dennisw

Actually I was never so young as to think listening to the Left was time I had to waste. Once it’s gone, it’s gone. You never get it back. I can remember political issues back into my single digit years. Not all, but some. The Left never made sense to me. It disgusted me.


55 posted on 11/18/2014 2:06:12 PM PST by DoughtyOne (The mid-term elections were perfect for him. Now Obama can really lead from behind.)
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