Posted on 11/18/2014 12:44:50 PM PST by Regulator
The Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo in 1848, which ended the Mexican War and for a cool $15 million acquired what is now the entire southwestern United States — Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, California, Nevada, Utah and parts of Wyoming and Colorado — from Mexico was an uncannily well-timed moment in U.S. history. Could American negotiators have known that within a year gold would be discovered in California and the flood of Anglo and other immigrants into this state would be the beginning of a population boom still going on 165 years later?
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He must hang with Angela Davis.. (Wishful thinking)
Uhhhhh.. Hang as in shoot the bull.. Altho.. Hmmmm.
California was controlled, very loosely and ineffectively, by the Mexican government for 27 years.
The United States has controlled it now for 166, effectively.
Yet it still is, and always will be, Mexican.
Does that make any sense?
The Indians had “owned” the land for thousands of year, the Spanish stole it from them and kept it for 52 years. The Mexicans stole it from them and kept it for 27 years. The US stole it from Mexico and has controlled it for 166 years now.
Yet the Mexican title somehow take precedence over the Indian, Spanish and American claims? Why is that?
America bought it. We didn’t steal it.
You know why? It is BS.
They left some cool road names.
El Camino Real.. Guadalupe Drive. Come to mind.
See what happens when you don’t control immigration? The demographics flip in a generation.
Hard to do that when his head is that far up his own.
You can bet on it...
True : )
A debatable point. A purchase at gunpoint isn’t exactly freely consented to. Also it’s certainly debatable whether $15M was a fair price.
This is of course how most wars ended. One side marched into the capital of the other and imposed terms.
IOW, we acquired title exactly the same way the Indians, Spanish and Mexicans did, by force.
Sucks to be a loser.
If the Mexicans want the land back, declare war and fight us for it! (In a way they have, I know)
Can’t speak for all native-Americans, but I spoke to an Apache that lived on a reservation for most of his life. Last week he addressed this issue like this.
Both the citizens of Mexico and the inhabitants of the United States are from Europe. The Spaniards took the native-American land before Mexico was gifted it. And then the U. S. took over.
I asked if he was upset about what took place. He stated that he was a Christian and that was all in the past. He did bring one thing up. He said he noted what Mexico had done with it’s land, and what the U. S. did with it’s land. He thought the U. S. had utilized the land honorably compared to how the Mexican government had utilized it’s land.
Neither Mexico nor the entity before it inhabited the South Western United States prior to Spanish claims on the Western territories. Population was very sparse even in 1790, when the San Gabriel Mission was built. The inhabitants of the day were the native-Americans. They were not Mexicans.
Around 1825, Span decided to depart Mexico. It left it’s large land grants to Mexico, but once again, those lands were the native-American’s land. They were never Mexico’s lands outright. Mexico merely followed on Spain, extending the theft.
The war with Mexico around the 1850-1852 range, secured the land for the United States. None the less, the land was still rightfully the native-American’s land.
The U. S. paid Mexico millions for a vast amount of land, but note that in 1852, you could buy a hamburger for a few cents. At late as 1905, my step-father’s dad sold hamburgers in Enid, Oklahoma for a nickle. So tens of millions of dollars in 1852, was a massive sum of money.
Mexico has no legal claim to the land in the South Western United States. It a total fabrication that the U. S. took ancestral lands from the Mexican people. It never happened.
Mexicans in the U. S. in the 1852 time frame were nothing but glorified squatters. They never paid a dime for the land. Their ancestors did not live there.
This Kessler from Europe, is about as ignorant as today’s activist Mexican national are. At least they have a stake in it. He’s a moron with no seat even if there was a debate table.
And that’s a hoot, considering there isn’t a debate table.
The debate ended in 1852.
What a coincidence. I was just thinking of how all Mexicans are Aztec, Olmec, and Mayan.
Damn, I’ve wasted a lot of cash paying taxes to the feds.
Drat!
:^)
Well done!
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