Face It: Republicans Want Amnesty

rushlimbaugh.com ^ | 12-3-2014 | Rush Limbaugh

[servo1969]

RUSH: Since I have explained all this logically -- and the end result of explaining this logically is to illustrate the on-the-surface illogic of all of these people afraid of the government shutdown. It simply is illogical. Everybody bleating about, "No, no! No, no! Ohhhh, no! Shut down the government? Oh, my God! Shut down the government? We're gonna get blamed. We're gonna get creamed! No! No!" They don't really mean that. Here's what it all means.

They may mean that, but when you strip all this away, what it really means is -- and batten down the hatches here. It means that the vast majority of the membership of the Republican establishment and their donors want amnesty. That's what all this means. You've gotta cut through the noise here, which is one of the things I always try to do, not get distracted, 'cause all of this talk about a government shutdown is a sideshow. These people are smart enough to know.

Hell, if I can figure it out, they can.

"A government shutdown is so devastating that we can't recover! Oh, my God," and we only won a landslide election? What this is about is the establishment concocting an excuse where they don't have to stop Obama because they don't want to, folks. That's the only logical interpretation for all of this. The election results are clear. The voters don't want any more of what Obama is promising, implementing or offering. They don't want any more of it.

The election was the only way people in this country have of saying "stop." Well, the people they elected to stop it, at least in the case of amnesty, don't want to stop it. But they can't come out and say that. They can't come, after all of this, and act like they are as eager for amnesty as Obama, but they are. We know it to be true. We know the Republican establishment, we know the Chamber of Commerce, we know that many of the donors want amnesty.

They want all of these low-skilled and low-educated workers because they're low-wage. They've not even denied this, in recent months/years. So what this is really all about is it's just easier for these people to hide behind the dangers of a government shutdown as the excuse for not stopping Obama. That's all this really is, because they're not this shortsighted.

They don't really think we can't shut down the government and stop Obama because of a poll in the Washington Post about being blamed for a shutdown. It's that they don't want to. The polling data is a convenient excuse. "Hey, look, if we do it we're gonna get creamed! We just won, and you want us to throw away this victory by ticking off the people who just elected us?" It's a sideshow excuse. That's what it is. Face it.

[Cen-Tejas]

Sir, with sincere respect to your viewpoint, I totally disagree with you.

If I were to go out and rob a bank, it is a certainty I would use a disguise so that I hopefully would not get caught stealing. Similarly, the so called “shutdown” is a disguise employed by politicians (and their MSM allies) that call themselves republicans to HIDE their face so that they can help BIG BUSINESS and it’s chief ally the Chamber of Commerce to steal American jobs and give them to low wage lawbreakers while greatly assisting the bottom line of said BIG BUSINESSES.

And, the theft of jobs is small change compared to the tens of billions they will STEAL from the taxpayers to educate these lawbreakers offspring and provide them health care and welfare and nearly a million jail cells to say nothing of armies of prosecutors and cops to handle them and dead crime victims.

The real proof that “shutdown” is a fraud is that closely following the last “shutdown” the American people elected more Republicans than ever in modern history. I guess like myself, and I suspect the majority of freepers, the American People clearly agree, based upon last months election, that “shutdowns” are no big deal other than to help un-elect hundreds of democrats nationwide.

Again, I respect your view but I hope the damn government is shut down and forced to live within its means while funding a robust nation defense budget. We’re gonna need it.

[fatez]

I do not disagree with your premise and your analogy. But if I am right about the shut down, than we lose the chance at changing the situation and probably forever. If I am wrong, well I am not sure it makes much of difference...

[9YearLurker]

I say it because you’d give legal guest worker permits to illegals here now, as long as they take a vacation back home first.

[Dead Corpse]

Screw that.

Shut it down. Chain the doors shut.

[fatez]

Ahh, I can see why you would say that (and thank you for clarifying for me). Make em gome home, figure out if you want any (and we may not), and if we do, keep it to that number and make sure they will not harm the country. If we don’t need or want a guest worker program, I would have no issue at all of not letting them back in the country. It is our country.

[noiseman]

The problem I have with your argument is that if "shutting down the government" is always and forevermore to be avoided at all costs, then Obama and future would-be liberal tyrants are essentially handed unlimited power. The more frequently Republicans flinch at the very notion, the more often Obama will cast every attempt to oppose him as a move to "shut down the government."

The reality, of course, is that the congressional action that should be taken to immediately neuter Obama's dictatorial predelictions is in no way, shape, or form a move to "shut down" anything. The only reason we're having this conversation is because Obama and his media cheerleaders want everyone to think in terms of a shutdown. Well, how do you propose to fight that tactic? You certainly can't combat it by lending credence to the notion by fretting publicly about how we "must not shut down the government." That just plays into his hands and will only result in the tactic being applied far more often and more broadly in the future. If we go down that road, every counter move will be characterized as a "shutdown" attempt.

The best reaction is to attack this ridiculous "shutdown" assertion head-on. Explain clearly and forthrightly what Congress is (hopefully) really trying to do and why, and shine a billion candlepower spotlight on Obama's cynical attempt to fool people with the "shutdown" nonsense. If we believe that the 2014 election results mean anything, then we've got to have faith in the ability of those voters to see through the Obama smokescreen.

[9YearLurker]

Needing a guest worker program is a complete rent-seeking, crony capitalist fraud. Especially now that they’d end up costing employers $3k less than American employees because of the Obamacare penalty provisions.

But even disregarding that, we’ve already got more low-skill workers than we can put to good use. Better that employers have an incentive to pay our low-skill workers more, to automate more, and to improve their working conditions.

The majority of illegals are not only very low skill, but they are some type of welfare recipients, they’re a high-crime population, and they are Leftist voters. Pathetic as it is, each and every one of them would go to the front of the affirmative-action line ahead of white and Asian Americans. Allowed to stay here, they’re projected to cost American taxpayers trillions. For example, they’re projected to take more than three times out of the Medicare system what they’d ever put into it.

As Nancy Reagan could, or should, have said, “Just say ‘no’.”

[noiseman]

I work at one of the largest hub airports in the country, and a few years ago when nearly all of the Hispanic workers at several fast food outlets were thrown out due to falsified citizenship information discovered during a security audit, who do you think replaced them? Did the jobs go unfilled because those are "jobs that Americans won't do?"

Nope. They were immediately filled by young black kids from surrounding neighborhoods. The obvious lesson is that the "jobs Americans won't do" claim was proven to be a complete lie. Obviously, these illegals had been displacing locals who would have taken the jobs (earlier) if they had been available.

We don't need a guest worker program. That is a demonstrable lie.

[9YearLurker]

Exactly—great example.

[noiseman]

Thanks. It made me really angry when I saw these kids who took the vacant jobs because it was immediately obvious that they had probably been looking for jobs without success prior to this because illegals had displaced them. At a time when we have all of the problems that are occurring in black communities, to deny jobs to those black kids who want to work and better themselves because businesses simply want to hire illegals for less is criminal. We should be doing everything we can to encourage responsible black, brown, or white kids. Hordes of illegals stealing their opportunity really burns me.

[TurboZamboni]

Reid has good reason to like this plan. It allows him to control government spending until next fall despite losing the November elections and it saves his Democratic colleagues from having to vote on the president’s unlawful amnesty.

House Republicans should reject the amnesty sellout and pass a continuing resolution that defunds amnesty. This will force Senate Democrats to specifically vote to fund the president’s unpopular executive order. Several Democrats have already spoken out against the president’s action and will be reluctant to support it.

TELL HOUSE CONSERVATIVES TO DEFEAT THE OMNIBUS

If House conservatives oppose the omnibus that allows our tax dollars to be used for amnesty, they can defeat it and force Republicans to do the right thing.

Call the House Republicans listed below and urge them to stop the amnesty sellout. Tell them to vote against the “rule” that begins debate if necessary.

These lawmakers are some of the most conservative members of the House. Please thank them for their service and politely encourage them to hold strong and insist that any funding bill going forward include language that defunds amnesty.

If anyone tells you that amnesty can’t be defunded because it’s paid for with user fees, please let them know that CRS already debunked that argument.

Also, please beware of show votes that are designed to allow politicians to pretend to oppose amnesty without actually stopping it. The only way to stop the president’s amnesty is to include specific language in a must-pass spending bill that defunds it.

Justin Amash (R-MI) 202-225-3831
Michele Bachmann (R-MN) 202-225-2331
Lou Barletta (R-PA) 202-225-6511
Kerry Bentivolio (R-MI) 202-225-8171
Jim Bridenstine (R-OK) 202-225-2211
Mo Brooks (R-AL) 202-225-4801
Ron DeSantis (R-FL) 202-225-2706
Jeff Duncan (R-SC) 202-225-5301
Steven Fincher (R-TN) 202-225-4714
John Fleming (R-LA) 202-225-2777
Trent Franks (R-AZ) 202-225-4576
Scott Garrett (R-NJ) 202-225-4465
Louie Gohmert (R-TX) 202-225-3035
Trey Gowdy (R-SC) 202-225-6030
Tom Graves (R-GA) 202-225-5211
Tim Huelskamp (R-KS) 202-225-2715
Jim Jordan (R-OH) 202-225-2676
Steve King (R-IA) 202-225-4426
Thomas Massie (R-KY) 202-225-3465
Tom McClintock (R-CA) 202-225-2511
Mark Meadows (R-NC) 202-225-6401
Steve Pearce (R-NM) 202-225-2365
Trey Radel (R-FL) 202-225-2536
Dennis Ross (R-FL) 202-225-1252
Matt Salmon (R-AZ) 202-225-2635
Mark Sanford (R-SC) 202-225-3176
Dave Schweikert (R-AZ) 202-225-2190
Lamar Smith (R-TX) 202-225-4236
Marlin Stutzman (R-IN) 202-225-4436
Randy Weber (R-TX) 202-225-2831

[9YearLurker]

Yep—we’re only robbing the troubled part of the black community of what positive cultural capital they have.

[Cen-Tejas]

You know your right but doesn’t the utter corruption of men like Boehner and McConnell spell doom to our side of the issue.

So, like u said (paraphrasing), “at this point, what difference does it make?”

A friend just wrote me and gave me the most plausible explanation yet. She said “no, it’s the Chicago Way, they just meet with Boehner, McConnell and Roberts and whoever else and say ......”we know where your kids and grandchildren are so STFU”!

In the old days we had an FBI and justice department...........but no more.

[C. Edmund Wright]

.....and yet, as big of an ass as you are - my offer to send you a free autographed copy of my Amazon Best Seller book destroying the GOP E still stands, but only after you apologize.

My efforts to fight the GOP E every week dwarf your lifetime contributions. I have certain five minute stretches where I outstrip everything you’ll ever do.

[bert]

lost in the shuffle and paramount is the GOPc. That is the conservative wing of the Republican party.

Some prefer to bitch and moan over the GOPe while totally neglecting the way forward for the conservative agenda, the GOPc

[Jim Noble]

paramount is the GOPc

Nah. A troublesome minority.

They have proven, over and over, they can lose elections.

But it is a bold, big claim, so far unproven, that they can WIN elections without the GOPe.

[central_va]

one skirmish = stupid comment. Immigration is BALL GAME.

[C. Edmund Wright]

Yes, and GOPc might be called GOP CRUZ - but yes, Cruz, Sessions, Gohmert, King, Bachmann - a LOT of great folks are in the GOP C - and they are fighting the GOP e hard.

It does them, or our cause, no good to wallow in this on going pity party. There’s always been the base/estab tensions within the GOP. And over time, one faction or the other might be dominant. The GOP C has made a lot of progress against the GOP E since ,say, 2005. In 05, there really was no GOP C to speak of that was active and well known.

[bert]

-——A troublesome minority.——

On that thought, one should not confuse the GOPc with the Tea Party. In my mind, the Tea Party is a portion of the GOPc. There are however lots and lots and lots of folks that consider themselves to be conservatives but do not espouse all the agenda of the Tea Party.

Many, many of my friends and associates are GOPc conservatives but did not attend the Tea Party rallies.

[DestroyLiberalism]

fatez wrote:
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Great, you don’t have to convince me your right, I am convinced that it is a misnomer, you have to convince the low information voter...And in case you missed it, we have lost those battles repeatedly...But maybe Einstein is wrong.
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And yet even though the Dems have repeatedly lost their share of battles in the public arena, such as being plagued with record low polling numbers and getting badly shellacked in the 2010 and 2014 elections, their radical left-wing agenda continues to march on and advance. Now why is that?

Could it be because the GOP-E leadership continues to deploy their utterly stupid and impotent strategy of openly declaring that all its weapons will be taken off the table? I.E. - No government shutdown... No impeachment... No exercising the “power of the purse”?

Pure and simple, I think the modern day GOP, led by the RINOs, have become the most inept, most feckless, most incompetent party I’ve ever seen in politics. But then the $64,000 question is, what do we do about it? Elections no longer seem to matter.