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The Great Turnaround
Townhall.com ^ | December 3, 2014 | Paul Greenberg

Posted on 12/03/2014 2:18:51 PM PST by Kaslin

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1 posted on 12/03/2014 2:18:51 PM PST by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

Oil companies average 4% profit while the government takes 15% profit (whoops, I mean tax). Who is profiting from our country’s “addiction to oil”?


2 posted on 12/03/2014 2:20:54 PM PST by taxcontrol
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Unless you're a gigantic corporation that's exploited this country's addiction to petroleum for years at immense profits.

Oh, so I guess they're supposed to just give it away for free - it's your right doncha' know. White privilege and all that...

3 posted on 12/03/2014 2:24:46 PM PST by liberty_lvr (Drill Gaia like a 3 am prom date)
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To: taxcontrol; Kaslin
"...Unless you're a gigantic corporation that's exploited this country's addiction to petroleum for years at immense profits..."

That was the first thing I thought about too! Unless he is referring to the State and Federal governments, who add on way, WAY more in taxes than the "gigantic corporations" have obtained in profits.

At least those "gigantic corporations" do something like OBTAIN THE OIL FROM THE GROUND!

4 posted on 12/03/2014 2:25:38 PM PST by rlmorel (The Media's Principles: Conflict must exist. Doesn't exist? Create it. Exists? Exacerbate it.)
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To: liberty_lvr

LOL...funny, we all stopped on the same passage!


5 posted on 12/03/2014 2:26:11 PM PST by rlmorel (The Media's Principles: Conflict must exist. Doesn't exist? Create it. Exists? Exacerbate it.)
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To: Kaslin

I generally like the article except for that one passage, and it is possible I misunderstood it...it seems out of character with the rest of the article.


6 posted on 12/03/2014 2:27:52 PM PST by rlmorel (The Media's Principles: Conflict must exist. Doesn't exist? Create it. Exists? Exacerbate it.)
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To: Kaslin
George P. Mitchell, the old Texas wildcatter who had this strange idea of using fluids under high pressure to break up rocks far below the surface of the Earth

Strange idea? The industry had been doing the same for decades before. It took George a decade to come up with the right combination to be economic in the shale. But it wasn't a new idea, he just figured out the specific "recipe" to make it work in shale. No big break through, just years and millions of dollars of incremental improvements.

In his own words:

http://www.economist.com/blogs/schumpeter/2013/08/interview-george-mitchell

7 posted on 12/03/2014 2:29:13 PM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer.)
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Great linked article, thackney, thanks for posting it!


8 posted on 12/03/2014 2:31:49 PM PST by rlmorel (The Media's Principles: Conflict must exist. Doesn't exist? Create it. Exists? Exacerbate it.)
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To: liberty_lvr

It takes two. I figured the folks who kept paying willingly rather than change their behavior to stop the exploitation have a part in this, too.


9 posted on 12/03/2014 2:32:48 PM PST by griswold3 (I was born here in America. I will die here in a third world country. Obama succeeded.)
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To: Kaslin

Who’s your mama for oil?

Those petroleum, electrical, and mechanical engineers who mastered long and difficult college courses, and followed that by real work on real projects?

Or, the Dorkbama and his clueless marshmallow major idiots who have never run anything primarily because no real company would ever hire them?

One laughs to think of the Gruberdork doing anything but cleaning the batrooms on an oil rig. Economist, my as...er...Obamahole. Sounds like economics is rapidly joining the marshmallow major crowd.

One has to love this!


10 posted on 12/03/2014 2:35:14 PM PST by Da Coyote
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To: rlmorel

If you want more of that:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/christopherhelman/2013/07/27/father-of-the-fracking-boom-dies-george-mitchell-urged-greater-regulation-of-drilling/

http://www.forbes.com/2009/07/16/george-mitchell-gas-business-energy-shale.html

EOG, Devon and some others took his work added horizontal steerable drilling and then is when it really took off.


11 posted on 12/03/2014 2:37:59 PM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer.)
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It’ll be nice to see the US tell the OPECers to go pound sand along with the green weenie enviroMENTALists—they’d better get pounding, there’s a lot of sand over there and both groups have a lot of catching up to do...! And diesel fuel for transport industries better drop too, and with that, prices on products as well.


12 posted on 12/03/2014 2:38:53 PM PST by W. (If government could truly create jobs communism would have worked the first time it was implemented.)
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To: liberty_lvr

Remember that the elite do not want the peasants using THEIR energy.

That will be the underlying motive behind any energy policy implemented by democrats.


13 posted on 12/03/2014 2:39:31 PM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: Kaslin

Here’s the flaw. Greenberg thinks about “big oil”. The fracking boom has been a God send for thousands and thousands of individual property owners who get a monthly royalty check - especially land owners in rural areas. The secondary positive effects of the oil boom have led to employment; oil field service expansion; rising property values; increased tax revenues for cities and counties.


14 posted on 12/03/2014 2:50:29 PM PST by Repulican Donkey
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To: rlmorel

Re: stopping on that passage.

Yes, and people with the slightest knowledge
of economics know that even corporations
don’t have control over prices. Even
a monopolist’s prices are governed by
economic forces. If the rapist corporations
are being evil in fat times, are they being
generous in lean times for them like today?


15 posted on 12/03/2014 3:00:17 PM PST by WKTimpco
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To: Kaslin

The only downside is that Obama may get the credit for the economic benefits, even though he opposed everything that enabled this.


16 posted on 12/03/2014 4:03:46 PM PST by TwelveOfTwenty (See my home page for some of my answers to the left's talking points.)
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To: WKTimpco

Right. It is what the market will bear.


17 posted on 12/03/2014 4:29:16 PM PST by rlmorel (The Media's Principles: Conflict must exist. Doesn't exist? Create it. Exists? Exacerbate it.)
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“But what’s the new Autocrat of All the Russias, aka Vladimir Putin, to do now? Some 45 percent of his country’s now shaky budget depends on oil revenues, and they’re dropping as fast as the ruble”: I wonder if this is the very “hook” that God will put into Russia’s jaw and drag it down to attack Israel?


18 posted on 12/03/2014 4:59:33 PM PST by Patriot777 (Imagine....that we could see Obama being hauled out of the White House kicking and screaming?)
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To: rlmorel

Yes, they will not maximize profits
if their prices are too high, and they
will also not maximize profits if
their prices are too low. Regardless
of whether they are run by angels
or scoundrels, they cannot defy
the laws of economics.

Even monopolies.


19 posted on 12/03/2014 10:52:28 PM PST by WKTimpco
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To: WKTimpco

If the ramifications of not understanding that by the very people who have power in this country over law and commerce, it would be funny if it were not so damned serious.

It ismisunderstood by the same people who think socialism is a great idea, price controls are a great idea, a minimum “living wage” is a great idea, and communism is a great idea, especially the Chinese Communist model.

Heck, we are all preaching to the choir here, aren’t we?


20 posted on 12/04/2014 4:37:38 AM PST by rlmorel (The Media's Principles: Conflict must exist. Doesn't exist? Create it. Exists? Exacerbate it.)
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