Posted on 12/04/2014 6:02:20 AM PST by Biggirl
Common sense is what is missing.
Getting 5 cops to arrest some one and psychically taking him to the ground for selling a cigarette is stupid.
Write him an appearance ticket and hand it to him.
If we think outside the box, it isn’t hard to imagine that this regime WANTED the outcome from these grand jury’s and even used criminal federal power and interference to assure the outcome.
Oh, I agree with you. However, the tax laws in NY are the SOURCE of the problem.
20 years ago this “crime” of selling untaxed cigarettes was almost unheard of. NYC is feeling the pinch by not getting its cut, so they order the cops to aggressively enforce this law. The City whines and cries that they are being “cheated” out of the taxes people aren’t paying by purchasing their cigarettes from places other than convenience stores like they used to.
The convenience store owners are fed up with the encroachment on their bottom lines, so they call the cops.
The cops come, and...well...and then we don’t really know what happened next. Did they try to just move him along down the block so he’s not in front of the store? I don’t know. Did they first try to just give him a ticket? Don’t know. By the time the video starts, the trouble has already begun.
But I agree that when the policeman says, “Put your hands behind your back,” it’s surely best to do so, tout de suite.
The whole thing is a big mess.
Regards,
It was store owners and the neighbors, because selling loosies is a slum behavior that attracts various low-life customers, such as bums, thuggy teenagers, etc. The police had been asked to step up attempts to handle quality of life issues in the area - that is, minor things that overall contributed to giving the neighborhood a crime-prone and run-down feel that made major crime more likely.
Fair enough.
“The question I have is, since Eric Garner was selling cigarettes in an area where there are small businesses, did the owners of those stores called the NYPD in complaint against Mr. Garner?”
By Staten Island Advance
By RYAN LAVIS, JOHN M. ANNESE and MIRA WASSEF
on July 17, 2014 at 10:15 PM, updated July 18, 2014 at 10:02 AM
Witnesses say Garner was trying to break up a fight in front of a beauty supply store on the corner of Bay and Victory. Garner, who was taller than 6 feet and weighed at least 350 pounds, was a fixture in the neighborhood who often sold loose cigarettes for 50 cents each.
One witness, Valencia Griffin, said she saw two men fighting outside of the beauty supply shop at 202 Bay St. in Tompkinsville. Garner, she said, tried to play peacemaker.
“He [the victim] tried to break up the fight — the two guys fighting, they saw the cops coming and walked away,” Ms. Griffin said.
Police sources familiar with the investigation said, though, that the officers were trying to arrest Garner because they saw him selling untaxed cigarettes, which he had done in the past. He was known to police as a fighter, sources said, and had been known to sell drugs, not just cigarettes.
“He absolutely resisted arrest. He took a fighting stance,” one police source said.
Public records show Garner was out on $4,000 bond or $2,000 cash bail — he has three pending criminal cases against him, all involving charges of possession and sale of untaxed cigarettes, from arrests in May, March and last August. In the August case, police also charged him with aggravated unlicensed operation of a vehicle, false personation and marijuana possession.
http://www.silive.com/news/index.ssf/2014/07/differing_accounts_emerge_as_n.html
Rand didn’t you know there was a war fought over a Sugar Tax and another over a tobacco tax.
Come now maybe they do not teach history in Kentucky and in medical school and so forth. where do this politicians get their education from - a cracker jack box or a diploma mill. Rand seems dumber than a box of rocks.
Really soemone died over a cigarette tax. Correct view is the guy strived to avoid paying a tax by selling single cigarettes. yes the others whom selling cigarettes were quite provoked about the sales of single cigarettes. So the guy was a tax evader - what about Marth Stewart was she not a taxe vader too. So this guy was obese and died while in police custody
I agree 100%. This case should have been a cinch to get an indictment for.
Obama/Holder did not want an indictment because it would have ruined their plans to nationalize police across America.
They wanted and needed the fury and outrage. Now all we have to do is sit back and watch them manipulate to grab more power at the fed level.
More proof police kill...and get away with it.
“More proof police kill...and get away with it.”
i suppose you will call a thug instead of a cop when you are assaulted
He didn’t die because of a cigarette tax. He died because he resisted arrest.
The guy was breaking a law.
If a law is not to be enforced, why have the law?
If a law is to be enforce, how much force should be used, if the suspect resists arrest?
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Unintended consequences apply. Those who are passing laws should have foresight to see what their laws might cause.
The man was killed because the NYC communists weren’t getting their cut. Plain and simple.
.....And this seems to get lost in all protests and hustle that comes from folks such as Sharpton or a Jackson.
“did the owners of those stores called the NYPD”......
That was my suspicion too.
(Selling) Cigarettes Is Bad For You
(...and then resisting police orders. Resist We Much!)
There has been anti-police sentiment among some in the black community. Remember Cop Killer?
Wiki:
>>”Cop Killer” is a song by American band Body Count, from its 1992 self-titled debut album. The lyrics are sung from the point of view of an individual who is outraged by police brutality and decides to take matters into his own hands by killing police officers. The song’s words were written by Body Count’s lead vocalist, Ice-T, while its music was written by the band’s lead guitarist, Ernie C. Ice-T has referred to it as a “protest record.”...
The song provoked much controversy and negative reactions from political figures of the time, President George H.W. Bush,Vice President Dan Quayle, and Tipper Gore, co-founder of Parents Music Resource Center. Others defended the song on the basis of the band’s First Amendment rights. When Ice-T began to feel that the controversy over the song had eclipsed its musical merit, he chose to recall the album and re-release it without the inclusion of the song, which was given away as a free single.
IIRC the lyrics went:
Cop killer, better you than me
Cop killer, I know your family’s grieving (f-— em!)
Cop killer, but this time we get even.
...fury and outrage.
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This, in my opinion, is exactly what they are trying to install in the average white population to get them to react with violence to the escalating acts of a lawless president.
The group patrolling the roofs, with rifles, in Furguson could be just the type of action they are looking for if they start firing.
Rand is such a pandering idiot, this guy didn’t die over cigarettes or drugs, or the war on something or other, he died because of something that needs to be fixed in police work at the street level.
This is about blue collar work by armed union men and methods and techniques of routine arrests, not cigarettes.
There was a published interview with another illegal cigarettes seller in the same area where Garner was selling. He made reference to going to NC about once a month, picking up a couple cartons here, couple there, till he had what he needed to sell on the streets of Staten Island. He paid @ $5-6/pack, sold them for $8-9 (a 33% discount vs store bought in NYC. Made a nice little profit for himself.
You can’t find cheaper cigarettes till you get to parts of VA and NC. All the states N of DC are high tax, if not quite as high as NY.
The bodega owner in front of whose store he was selling said he sells maybe 3 cartons a month at full price!
No excuse for someone to die over a cigarette tax.
Now an income tax, or gas tax, or carbon tax - that’s completely different.
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