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Study Finds All-Electric Cars Aren't Very Green At All
townhall.com ^ | 12/15/2014 | Leah Barkoukis

Posted on 12/16/2014 6:32:44 AM PST by rktman

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To: wrench

“...driving fat drunks around...”

Too late for Ted Kennedy to benefit.


21 posted on 12/16/2014 8:11:44 AM PST by DPMD
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To: rktman

Due to new regulations, including subsidies for wind and solar, the cost of electricity is going way up. Due to American innovation and private investment, the cost of gasoline is going way down. States are threatening to tax cars by the mile rather than by the gallon, so electric cars will be caught within the government web.

The economics of an electric car are way worse than they were a year ago.


22 posted on 12/16/2014 8:19:47 AM PST by AZLiberty (No tag today.)
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To: The Great RJ
Corn ethanol has been touted as an alternative to oil, but if you consider the energy needed to plant, harvest and ship the corn to ethanol plants as wells as make the corn into ethanol and ship the ethanol by truck or rail since it can’t be shipped by pipeline it takes more energy to make corn ethanol than you could get from using it as a motor fuel.

And that doesn't even consider the increase in food prices because of arable land being diverted to feedstock for ethanol.

On a per-acre basis, corn only produces half the ethanol that can be produced from sugar cane. Economically, it's not viable without government subsidies and mandates.

23 posted on 12/16/2014 8:22:54 AM PST by justlurking (tagline removed, as demanded by Admin Moderator)
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To: rktman
What's wrong with green cars?


24 posted on 12/16/2014 8:24:01 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va
What's wrong with green cars?

My eyes!!!! Make it stop!

25 posted on 12/16/2014 8:25:16 AM PST by justlurking (tagline removed, as demanded by Admin Moderator)
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To: wrench
"Electric cars belong on golf courses hauling fat drunks around, not trying to provide dependable transportation on real roads."

Down here in Fl we have lots of golf carts on the roads!

Electric vehicles are great for limited circumstances. I I lived in a city and didn't need to travel out much it would be great. No need to find gas stations.

Also, electric cars transfer the pollution from the city out to the country.

OTOH, I don't live in a crowded city and I enjoy my V8 beast. Looking to trade next year for ....


26 posted on 12/16/2014 8:34:30 AM PST by TexasGator
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Here’s the problem: electric cars don’t have the range on a per charge basis compared to gasoline-fueled, let alone diesel-fueled, vehicles.

I drive a Honda Fit and get nearly 40 mpg on the freeway on 87 octane unleaded gasoline—and this is a regular drivetrain. Small wonder why Volkswagen has trouble keeping their diesel-powered Golf and Jetta models in stock.


27 posted on 12/16/2014 8:39:30 AM PST by RayChuang88 (Ferguson: put your hands down and go to work!)
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To: The Great RJ

Not to mention the corrosive nature and the increase in cost to us for some dang corn flakes for breakfast.


28 posted on 12/16/2014 8:51:58 AM PST by rktman (Served in the Navy to protect the rights of those that want to take some of mine away. Odd, eh?)
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To: rktman; wrench; GreyFriar; Dick Bachert; hal ogen; left that other site; Pan_Yan; Fightin Whitey; ..
People, don't let yourselves be fooled by this Townhall.com article. Within it is a link (under “new study”) to the AP article it is all based on:

Study: Your All-Electric Car May Not Be So Green

That article has a typical click-bait headline, but it turns out the key word is “may”. It only applies to the states that use coal the most, like West Virginia, Wyoming, Ohio, North Dakota, and Illinois.

Since coal makes up only a minority of electricity production in the nation overall, and since the majority is produced by sources much cleaner than coal (like natural gas, nuclear, and hydro), the conclusions in this article do not apply to the vast majority of the country.

So yes, your electric car may not be so green, but only if you live in one of those six states.

Further reading: New Study Doesn't Say ‘Electric Cars Aren't Green’ (Headlines To The Contrary)

29 posted on 12/16/2014 5:59:14 PM PST by LogicDesigner
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Study Finds All-Electric Cars Aren’t Very Green At All

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Maybe I’ll get one then.


30 posted on 12/16/2014 6:04:56 PM PST by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: LogicDesigner

“Since coal makes up only a minority of electricity production in the nation overall”

Coal is still the major source of energy for electricity production at 39%.

http://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.cfm?id=427&t=3


31 posted on 12/16/2014 6:22:03 PM PST by TexasGator
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“Coal is still the major source of energy for electricity production at 39%.”

The other 60% are from energy sources that are much cleaner than coal: natural gas, nuclear, hydro, and a smidgen of renewables.

This article is based on the idea of getting all your electricity from coal, which is only comes close to being true in the six states I listed.

32 posted on 12/16/2014 7:20:13 PM PST by LogicDesigner
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To: LogicDesigner
Since coal makes up only a minority of electricity production in the nation overall, and since the majority is produced by sources much cleaner than coal (like natural gas, nuclear, and hydro), the conclusions in this article do not apply to the vast majority of the country.

It should be noted that the entire eastern part of the country is interconnected into a single grid. There's also a Western interconnect, and a Texas interconnect, and even the three major grids should be connected soon by Tres Amigas.

My point: the electricity generator closest to you doesn't necessarily generate the "electrons" that you use. Even if you select a specific power generator (which is possible in Texas), all that generator does is "pour" power into the "river", which you use somewhere "downstream".

(Yes, that's a poor analogy. But, it's close enough for this discussion).

Maybe someone can find the proportions of power generation, by type of fuel, on each grid. But for all practical purposes, the entire US is a reasonable way to aggregate it. And as someone has already pointed out: only about 39% of total US electricity generation is from coal.

33 posted on 12/17/2014 4:37:07 AM PST by justlurking (tagline removed, as demanded by Admin Moderator)
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To: LogicDesigner

40% is a rather significant minority. Some might even call it a plurality.


34 posted on 12/17/2014 4:45:04 AM PST by WayneS (Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos.)
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