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To: SleeperCatcher
It's hard to imagine a worse time to tinker with the Constitution.

Given the state of the morons who walk among us and vote, we'd be opening the floodgates for irresponsible, wholesale hope and change.

3 posted on 12/17/2014 8:43:39 AM PST by JOAT
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To: JOAT

Article V convention.


5 posted on 12/17/2014 8:46:12 AM PST by exnavy (Got ammo, Godspeed.)
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To: JOAT

Oh you mean like the wholesale hope and change that is being done to the constitution every single day right now?

Anyway, just keep voting GOP, because elections matter!


6 posted on 12/17/2014 8:49:52 AM PST by chris37 (heartless)
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To: JOAT

Totally wrong. It’s now or never...short of armed rebellion. Next week will be even worse than this week. And so on and so on.

There will never be a better time than now.


10 posted on 12/17/2014 8:55:12 AM PST by Lee'sGhost ("Just look at the flowers, Lizzie. Just look at the flowers.")
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To: JOAT
There are 99 houses in 50 state legislatures. Any leftist amendment would require only 13 of these legislative bodies from 99 to defeat ratification. In other words, three quarters of the state legislatures must ratify or 38 states. If 13 legislatures fail to ratify the amendment is defeated. Since ratification by legislatures requires both houses to consent, only 13/99 are required. That is very close to 13%.

After the last election Republicans control 69 houses of the 99 state legislative houses. Republicans control 31 of the 50 state legislatures. To stop any unwise or imprudent amendment would require only 13 of these 69 Statehouse is (from different states) or about 19%, fewer than one in five.

The problem will not be to stop left-wing amendments but to pass prudent conservative amendments which restore the Constitution by invoking the Constitution.

If the Congress of the United States elects to have the ratification procedures conducted by conventions rather than legislatures, the method of selecting the delegates to those conventions would be chosen by the legislatures. If only 13 legislative bodies out of 99 object to the method chosen by the other body because it is considered to favor a leftist amendment, there is no ratification forthcoming from that state.

By either procedure the odds of a liberal amendment getting past so many conservative legislative bodies in so many states is both arithmetically and practically remote.

Finally, this is only the last line of defense, there are innumerable steps along the way which make a "runaway convention" virtually impossible and render the need for the states to fail to ratify very likely superfluous.


13 posted on 12/17/2014 9:00:05 AM PST by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: JOAT

I have the same apprehensions.

Lib/Leftist blue states will send Lib/Leftist reps and lawyers will be lined up to challenge every aspect of the results.

Per other threads/articles, the Convention is called to address only pre-specified amendments. Has anyone outside the clique seen any of those proposed amendments?

The Convention and the proposed amendments are approved by state legislators. Notice the absence involvement by non-legislative personnel -- i.e., citizens not in elective legislative positions.

We cannot trust the ones we elect, so why are we going to entrust them with an Article V Convention?

Where IS the list of proposed amendments they supposedly will be restricted to considering?

The few suggested amendments I have seen or heard about are too filled with lawyer legalese to be understood. They don't seem to address the basic problems.


19 posted on 12/17/2014 9:15:54 AM PST by TomGuy
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To: JOAT

...and we’re adding new amendments that scumbags like Obama would ignore as well?

The risks are too high. I don’t see how it could be kept to just what the supporters want to happen. Pandora’s box indeed.


31 posted on 12/17/2014 10:37:53 AM PST by afsnco
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To: JOAT

“...It’s hard to imagine a worse time...”
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It is hard to imagine a better one.


36 posted on 12/17/2014 11:12:13 AM PST by Repeal The 17th (We have met the enemy and he is us.)
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To: JOAT

This is a state-controlled process. And what is your alternative?

This process was included in the Constitution specifically for times like these. Indeed, the document would never have been approved and sent to the states for ratification if this part of Art. V had not been included.


43 posted on 12/17/2014 2:09:56 PM PST by SleeperCatcher
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To: JOAT

If the Founders had allowed FEAR to cloud their judgment, we would all be speaking with a British accent and kissing the Royal Ring.

Besides trusting in the best among us, we need determination, courage and faith. A blanket condemnation of an entire generation is not only wrong and counterproductive, but it’s rather elitist. Some of us prefer to think for ourselves.


76 posted on 12/19/2014 4:42:07 PM PST by Strawberry AZ (Artcile V... A Solution as Big as the Problem - http://www.conventionofstates.com/problem)
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