Establishment GOP Surrender Grows the Conservative Movement

conservativehq.com ^ | 10/17/13

[cotton1706]

Right now establishment Republicans and their short-term allies in the media think they won and conservatives lost when Capitol Hill Republicans abandoned the fight to defund ObamaCare and obtain real spending reform as part of a deal to raise the debt ceiling.

In fact history shows us that the exact opposite is true.

While the long knives of the establishment may be out for Senators Ted Cruz and Mike Lee, and their cohorts in the House, from a strategic perspective this apparent defeat was a win for conservatives, and here’s why.

Millions of Tea Party and limited government constitutional conservatives, who were disheartened by the failures of the 2012 campaign, have been re-energized by the battle to defund ObamaCare – and now they understand that, as much or more than Obama and the Democrats, the enemy is the Republican establishment.

Their energy and anger means those Republicans who were on the surrender side of the ObamaCare battle are done as national leaders.

Sure, they may hang on to their present positions for a while, but in the eyes of the Republican grassroots they are all politically dead.

Just as the battle over the Panama Canal Treaty back in the 1970s grew the New Right – it also effectively ended the presidential prospects of establishment Republican Senate Minority Leader Howard Baker, who backed it and assured its ratification; the same will be true of those Republicans who surrendered on ObamaCare and raising the debt ceiling.

And here’s the first evidence of the truth of our analysis – no one in the surrender caucus is heading for Iowa or New Hampshire today to tout their success in bringing the battle to a close.

[Liz]

Yup-—that IS a huge problem.

[EQAndyBuzz]

I believe it can also. Just not with a third party. It has to happen over time by taking every local election we can. Also taking over school boards so we can deprogram students.

Liberalism isn’t a mental disorder. It’s a cult.

[stephenjohnbanker]

” A key part of the CRimenibus Bill, agreed to by both wings of the Uniparty, was raising corporate contribution limits to the sky.

This was done to squeeze out every candidate not favored by GlobalCorp Inc.”

A grade explanation.

[itsahoot]

I would go with Paul,

So you don't want to improve things?

[bert]

Your repeated denials of what is the American Political system, the reality of America, places you so far off the beam as to be invisible and totally irrelevant to the political events of the day

[sarge83]

As long as they have the “you have to vote republican at all cost” conservatives they have got away with it and they know a certain level of conservatives will continue to vote for them regardless of what they do.

If they voted to confiscate all firearms and gut the 2nd Amendment, raise taxes across the board, fully fund abortion on demand for 12 yr. olds, gay marriage in all 50 states and gut the military down to a Humvee, row boat and glider they would still vote Republican.

Until this changes the GOPE isn’t going to change. And working within the party will not work, the GOPE controls all the levers of power and they will not relinquish power.

[VRWC For Truth]

Bugger off to your GOP kneepad site. Loser.

[jjsheridan5]

That evil troll Perot gave us BJ Clinton and the present Democrat Party.

Yea, third party, that’s the ticket!

George Bush Sr., with the enthusiastic support of the anti-Reagan Republican establishment, gave us Clinton, and, to a lesser degree, the present Democrat Party. He did so, by abandoning what Reagan stood for (although, he was never really on board). Clinton was the first of many gifts offered up by the establishment Republicans. Perot merely tapped into the fiscal conservatism which is rejected by Bush and the GOPe.

Yes, third party is the ticket, if you want to give the country a chance to return to its constitutional roots. That chance may be low, but it is still higher than the chances offered up by continuing our counter-productive strategy of voting for the lesser of two evils.

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. Vote for the lesser of two evils, win a banana republic.

[bert]

well newbie....... perhaps you must beat your chest to a bloody pulb and destroy what little self esteem you have left

[jjsheridan5]

The road to ridding ourselves of this crowd is gonna be ugly.

IMHO it will require a third-party, and years of wandering in the desert while the most radical Democrats like Lizzie Warren run the show, as the GOPe runs a continual distant third until they become the Whigs.

To some degree, I think the question of "should conservatives go 3rd party" is becoming moot. I believe that the GOPe have become honest and somewhat transparent, and they are essentially forcing conservatives to go away. They want to rework the political calculus in their favor, and, at least on some level, they have some justification. They recognize that there are a lot of disaffected Democrats and independents who are uncomfortable with the Republican party because of the influence of conservatives. If they can fully marginalize, or even eliminate, conservatism from the party, a percentage of those disaffected voters would turn Republican (in their thinking, the reason the GOPe candidates haven't been able to do so is because they are hampered by the association between Republican and conservative). In this scenario, the Republicans would lose many conservative voters, but pick up voters on the other side.

In other words, the GOPe feels comfortable enough now to begin purging the party. Conservatives are welcome as long as they just shut up and vote, and conservative politicians are welcome only if they toe the party line. Basically, they are in the process of forcing conservatives to go third party, and I wouldn't be surprised if they felt that they would win out in such a scenario, especially with the damage Obama has done within the party.

For conservatives, what we want to do is increasingly becoming irrelevant. We simply have no choice -- we have to turn 3rd party. If we could have defeated the GOPe, we would have done so by now. The only other option is to accept that the country will never return to its constitutional roots, and I don't believe that conservatives, as a whole, will simply give up.

[VRWC For Truth]

FU and the Ho’s you rode in on. Loser. Maybe you need to read the FR mission statement. A-hat. Good riddence.

[x]

Just as the battle over the Panama Canal Treaty back in the 1970s grew the New Right – it also effectively ended the presidential prospects of establishment Republican Senate Minority Leader Howard Baker, who backed it and assured its ratification; the same will be true of those Republicans who surrendered on ObamaCare and raising the debt ceiling.

Realistically, how much of a chance did Howard Baker ever have of becoming president?

[Mr. N. Wolfe]

I’m just curious. Has anyone ever asked their Senator or Representative why they voted for McConnell or Boehner?