You'll have something when you can beat this. You might have something if you can come close to this, in terms of price, performance, and longevity.
Posted on 01/09/2015 10:03:38 AM PST by LogicDesigner
In Europe, at least, drivers of the 100%-electric Nissan LEAF actually drive about 50% more than average drivers of petrol- and diesel-powered cars. This helps to bust the myth that electric cars are inadequate for the average driver, and that electric car drivers don’t drive very much.
It also indicates that Nissan LEAF owners must be saving a lot more money than generally assumed. Electricity for powering a car is much cheaper than petrol or diesel. The average driver will save several thousand dollars (or euros, british pounds, etc.), but someone who actually drives much more than average is going to save a great deal more money.
“Nissan reveals that European owners of its 100 percent electric car, the Nissan LEAF, travel more than 50 percent further per year (10,307 miles) than the European average for a traditional internal combustion-powered vehicle (6,721 miles),” Nissan wrote yesterday.
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One of the key advantages of the LEAF is that drivers can charge at home. Nissan’s data show that about 89% of LEAF drivers charge overnight, while enjoying the comfort of their beds and pillows. (Okay, Nissan didn’t provide data on the beds and pillows, just the overnight charging.)
(Excerpt) Read more at cleantechnica.com ...
Wow. No. You want to use the mean of a sample. Certainly not the ideal. If you are going to fudge with numbers, then you instead should take the minimum to show what the worst case driver might expect.
You fill out a tax credit form, state tax department validates it, and you get to deduct $5000 from your tax liability (you). Don’t lose the form. I’m looking forward to my state income tax filing for once.
For those slamming “freeloaders”, realize those using it are most likely in the higher tax brackets, so they’re putting in waaaaaaay more than they’re allegedly getting out. If you support lowering taxes, shouldn’t be a problem for someone to lower their taxes (not to be confused with “leeching”, getting out way more than put in).
No, it most certainly does not. You need to read the article again:
“In hindsight, it’s not surprising the Mitsubishi MiEV EV I drove barely made it to 50 miles rather than its rated 62 miles (100 km).”
In that example, the cold-weather range was 80% of it's EPA rated range, not the one-third you claimed.
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Nobody is getting a 20 mile range in moderately cold temps. It’s been around that here all week, and while my range has dropped it’s nowhere near that much: don’t have hard numbers handy, but worst case is going from ~100 (warm temps, considerate driving) to 60+ (below freezing, heater on, somewhat worse-than-usual driving).
There’s a difference between living the statistics vs pulling ‘em out of ... somewhere.
Of course. However, you misunderstood my explanation. All I was saying is that the 57% reduction was not based on the average, it was based on the ideal. Blame AAA for using it as their basis, not me.
I'm sure they did it that way in order to get a bigger headline, so that they could quote a larger number as their “percentage range loss due to cold.”
Not too many up here in Toronto as far as I can tell. Teslas on the other hand can be seen here with some regularity. There is one across the road from me.
Look at the effing chart.
That was part of my point. The same lefties who turn themselves into pretzels patting themselves on their backs because they can’t see exhaust coming from their cars, would oppose power plants as an environmental threat. Bottom line, no free lunch.
Does Canada or Ontario incentivize electrics with tax credits, etc?
The problem with such cars is that they’re not a net-positive for the environment, even though people think they are. Why? Because people only think of what is coming out of the tailpipe.
The mining of Lithium, transport across oceans, processing and refining, manufacturing of the batteries, etc. has a HUGE carbon footprint. You’d have to drive the vehicle a long way for it to be a net-positive...but then you have to replace the batteries!!! ...of course, ignore the power plant that must produce the electricity in the first place :)
You'll have something when you can beat this. You might have something if you can come close to this, in terms of price, performance, and longevity.
Ontario does...not sure if there is a Federal incentive but it wouldn’t surprise me.
Here in the states it’s a big deal as a percentage of the original price, especially on the Leaf. Tesla benefits from selling “credits” to other car makers to satisfy the California ev mandate...it pretty much equals their profit margin.
All these electric cars are costing us taxpayers way too much. I bet if you added up all the government spending an electric car has at least $1 million per vehicle in prior year government (read:taxpayer) spending behind them. Let’s not forget the taxpayer funded rebates each car gets.
Electric cars also result in massive Super Fund environmental cleanup projects.
They also run primarily on coal produces electricity; coal, a substance Zero and his ecoterrorists have been putting out of business.
Living in the midwest where sub zero temps are a possibility, I wouldn't buy a Leaf if I had a 40 mile daily commute and no way to charge it at work. I'd at least want the range of the lower end Tesla S. If you run out juice in the summer it is an inconvenience. If you run out juice in the winter it might lead to frostbite or death..
Of course you’re talking 30 grand vs 70 grand list prices.
So quite a different category for most folks.
The federal and state tax credits are fixed, not proportional to the price.
So somebody in GA gets a Leaf for 17,500 and a Tesla for 57,500, quite a bump.
“They also run primarily on coal produces electricityNice job on the hand to hand though. Heal well!”
Most of the electricity is produced by non-coal sources.
Not sure of the year, but was that one carefully assembled by the UAW in the NorCal plant that now builds the Tesla S?
It’s a 2005 ... same as mine.
Approximately 335,000 miles, still delivers nominal performance. Engine, tranny, body still solid.
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