It's not a corrupted version...it IS Islam!

Renew America ^ | January 16, 2015 | Sher Zieve

[detective]

How many times have we heard some politically correct (aka politically corrupt) "journalist" from any and all of our ObamaMedia tell us that the "extremist" attacks are due to a "corrupted" or "perverted" form of Islam? I heard it for the umpteenth time yesterday on Fox News and decided to address this, at best, continuing misconception on the speakers' parts or, at worst, the outright lies about Islam which are meant to deceive. Does anyone on any of the media bother to even somewhat educate themselves on this serious subject that brings with it an increasingly brutal set of actions? It doesn't seem so. All too many of our current set of media journalists are sorely lacking in the ability to even look up sources before opening their mouths and speaking inane tripe.

[detective]

This is an excellent article. It should be required reading for all politically correct journalists. The author makes several excellent points.

[grumpa]

WHY MUSLIMS ARE VIOLENT

This is pretty straight forward folks. There are peaceful Muslims, but there is no such thing as peaceful Islam. Violence is not an aberration in Islam—it is DOCTRINE. Dozens of passages in the Quran exhort Muslims to hate or kill or terrorize infidels (non-Muslims) wherever they find them. For examples, see Suras 2:190-193, 2:216, 2:244, 3:56, 3:142, 3:151, 4:56, 4:74 (beheading), 4:76, 4:84, 4:89, 4:91, 4:95, 4:104, 5:51, 5:32-38, 7:96-99, 8:12-15 (beheading), 8:39, 8:57-60, 8:65-67, 9:5, 9:14, 9:20-30, 9:38-41, 9:73, 9:88, 9:111, 9:123, 17:16, 18:65-81, 21:44, 22:18-22, 25:52, 33:60-62, 47:3-4 (beheading), 47:35, 48:16-17, 48:29, 61:4, and 66:8-12. These are the passages that jihadists quote in defense of their horrible atrocities. Unlike the Old Testament, violence in the Quran is mostly open-ended, that is, not restrained by the historical context of the surrounding events.

While there are passages that Muslims point to that might suggest peaceful solutions (Suras 2:190, 2:256, 5:8, 5:28, 5:32, 8:61, 29:46, 41:34, 109:6), these are overwhelmed by the violent ones. Indeed, the peaceful passages were abrogated, i.e. superseded, by the violent ones—because the violent ones were written later, after Muhammad’s move to Medina (from Mecca). Anyone who wants to commit acts of violence has perfect justification for doing so from the Quran. There is nothing in the Quran comparable to Jesus’ teachings to “turn the other cheek” and to “love your neighbor.”

You can look these passages up for yourself. Below is a site that has three translations of the Quran side-by-side. (Note: English translators of the Quran sometimes try to soften the true Arabic meaning of some of these passages. For example, to “fight” really means to kill in Arabic.)

http://www.usc.edu/org/cmje/religious-texts/quran

In addition to the Quran are the hadiths. These are collections of sayings and actions of Muhammad. Indeed, Muhammad was one of the most violent men in history, setting the example for all Muslims to follow. See this link:

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/quran/023-violence.htm

For more information, see our Faith Facts article:

http://www.faithfacts.org/world-religions-and-theology/christianity-vs.-islam

(If you like our site, tell your friends about us.)

[Travis McGee]

What do you do if your QB keeps throwing interceptions on purpose?

[Secret Agent Man]

The people who think Islam is peaceful do not understand what “abrogation” and “al-taqiyaa” are.

[Zeneta]

I asked this on another thread recently.

Does the Left even recognize WHAT political correctness IS, never mind it’s fallout ?

I get the feeling that PC is something the Left has certainly heard of, but I think, they don’t think it applies to them.

I mean, are they actively trying to avoid saying what they actually think to keep from offending?

or

Do they actually believe the PC crap they spew?

If they are trying to be PC, then they are conformists which seems to run counter to their overall ideology.

If they believe the PC BS then they have been brainwashed or complete idiots. I can’t imagine that there are that many brainwashed idiots that are willing to suppress their God given instincts just so they can get along.

[Vigilanteman]

I've read enough of the Koran to summarize as follows:

1. Early in the book-- be peaceful, kind and persuasive.
   
2. Later on-- escalate violence if that doesn't work.

Sort of like the oft posted thread on Muslim immigration-- it can be manageable as long as they are less than 1% of the population. Then it gets steadily worse.

Yes, there are brands which are less violent than others, notably in parts of the U.A.E. and Brunei. But they are the definite minority.

[Enten]

“Yes, there are brands which are less violent than others, notably in parts of the U.A.E. and Brunei. But they are the definite minority.”

Please tell us the source of this statement. It is obvious to me that they all operate from the same owner’s manual....if some are less violent, I contend it is because they don’t understand their own “religion” or their fuses haven’t yet been lit on some Friday at the mosque.

[LS]

And not just the Koran. The Hadith is full of examples of the “Prophet” ordering executions, torture, and mayhem of the most horrendous sort.

[T Ruth]

Early in the book-- be peaceful, kind and persuasive. Later on-- escalate violence if that doesn't work.

You're close, but this excellent video -- best I've seen -- will make things clear:

Three stages of jihad

[HiTech RedNeck]

a feature not a bug

[SkyDancer]

[SkyDancer]

Oh, and ...

[353FMG]

Why do we still agonize between ‘peaceful’ and ‘militant’ Islam when there is very little difference between the two?

Why not pick up a Koran and read if it distinguishes between the two.

[353FMG]

Time for uncle Bill, aunt Megyn and cousin Sean of FOX to do some research instead of continuing to whitewash the issue.

[TigersEye]

The Mohammed Factor

If you condemn murder you condemn Mohammed.

If you condemn thievery you condemn Mohammed.

If you condemn rape you condemn Mohammed.

If you condemn pedophilia you condemn Mohammed.

If you condemn terrorism you condemn Mohammed.

If you condemn Mohammed you condemn Islam.

[Vigilanteman]

You don't need a source, you can see it with your own eyes. A business associate from Dubai told me that they and Brunei were the only majority Islamic countries which practiced this particular brand, which is considered an off-shoot of Sunni.

I would agree that it is probably "Cafeteria Islam" since they not only tolerate Christians and others in their midst, but erect Christmas trees and, on some occasions and in some locations, even share houses of worship.

Even so, I do wish it would spread and dilute the intolerant forms which make up the bulk of the Islamic world.

[Dqban22]

What Did the Saints Say about Islam?

Spirit Daily ^ | August 12, 2014 | By Andrew Bieszad on
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/3247130/posts

Even if all the things contained in his law were fables in philosophy and errors in theology, even for those who do not possess the light of reason, the very manners (Islam) teaches are from a school of vicious bestialities.

(Muhammad) did not prove his new sect with any motive, having neither supernatural miracles nor natural reasons, but solely the force of arms, violence, fictions, lies, and carnal license. It remains an impious, blasphemous, vicious cult, an innovention of the devil, and the direct way into the fires of hell. It does not even merit the name of being called a religion.”

-St. Juan de Ribera (d.1611), Archbishop of Valencia, missionary to Spanish Muslims, and organizer of the Muslim expulsions of 1609 from Spain. Quoted in several locations from his 1599 Catechismo para la Instruccion de los Nuevos Convertidos de los Moros (my translation).

“The Mahometan paradise, however, is only fit for beasts; for filthy sensual pleasure is all the believer has to expect there.”

St. Alfonsus Liguori (d. 1787). Quoted from his book, The History of Heresies and their Refutation.

What is obvious from these statements is that represent a very different view of Islam than we’ve heard from the Vatican in recent years. The recent dormancy of Islam has led many in this generation to believe precisely as Pope Francis does: that it is only Muslim extremists who pose a threat, and that the religion itself is more or less praiseworthy. The experiences of most of the saints throughout Church history, however, taught them the opposite — namely, that Islam and its practices are antithetical to the Catholic faith and those who seek to live it.

Hilaire Belloc, the great 20th century Catholic historian and poet, warned in 1929 that Islam would make a return to the world stage:

We shall almost certainly have to reckon with Islam in the near future. Perhaps, if we lose our Faith, it will rise.

For after this subjugation of the Islamic culture by the nominally Christian had already been achieved, the political conquerors of that culture began to notice two disquieting features about it. The first was that its spiritual foundation proved immovable; the second that its area of occupation did not recede, but on the contrary slowly expanded.

[Ouderkirk]

there is no” versions” of islam...there is only islam. it is a violent cult of inbred savages who surrender to their bose base urges..

Who sodomizes a corpse? Like they did to Amb,Chris Stevens

There is no reforming islam, there is only one option, total destruction. They should be offered the choice either convert to another religion or death. Everything islamic should be destroyed. every vestage, every site, every mosque, nothign shall remain of any of it. We can’s start a war 1.6 billion muslims, they say. Sure we can, and we will win through superior firepower and 1.6 billion casualties that shall include women AND children. Nuke Mecca, and the at rock, Medina is vaporized, Qom, is a crater and every other muslim holy site and anything to do with islam must be eliminatated and turned into a radioactive no-go zone for 20K years or more.

[Smokin' Joe]

A Muslim once told me that changing so much as one word of the Koran was punishable by death. So how many versions are there?

Islam is Islam. "Moderate" Islam is a fairy tale.

[arthurus]

I have been saying this since 9-11. Even Mark Levin has to qualify the term. Public people are so damned afraid of offending Moslems!