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Climate Change’s Bottom Line
New York Times ^ | January 31, 2015 | By BURT HELM

Posted on 02/01/2015 6:08:36 AM PST by Oldeconomybuyer

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To: Pearls Before Swine
Contrary to your ill spoken “without side effects” there would be enormous effects if the use of carbon was depressed. The reason we use carbon based fuels is because the are abundant, cheap, and efficient which is why a tax is needed to force people to use something else. To be effective at depressing carbon usage the tax must be higher than the extra cost of using an alternative for it to be effective.

Why higher? Because in order to make, distribute, and consume this “no side effects” alternative an enormous investment must be made. That investment in manufacturing new fuels, distributing them, and building new devices that can use these new sources is enormous and must be paid.

Liberals have many many no side effects solutions. Obama even one ups your “no side effects” and claims the switch away from carbon creates wealth and jobs. He is correct and Algorilla and Tom Steyner are getting rich but at our expense.

21 posted on 02/01/2015 6:36:42 AM PST by FreedomNotSafety
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To: palmer

It ain’t half over yet!


22 posted on 02/01/2015 6:42:01 AM PST by RipSawyer (OPM is the religion of the sheeple.)
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To: Savage Beast
Are these people dishonest or delusional?

watermelons preying on the gullible.

23 posted on 02/01/2015 6:44:20 AM PST by oldbrowser (We have a rogue government in Washington)
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To: FreedomNotSafety
Contrary to your ill spoken “without side effects”...

How about "without first order side effects"? Obviously the things you say are true. But, the greedy politicians and see green opportunity--they don't care about carbon.

24 posted on 02/01/2015 6:44:56 AM PST by Pearls Before Swine
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To: palmer

It is here in the Twilight Zone, Started much earlier...


25 posted on 02/01/2015 6:44:56 AM PST by Shady (We are at war again......this time for our lives...)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

Follow OUR money....more like it...


26 posted on 02/01/2015 6:46:06 AM PST by Shady (We are at war again......this time for our lives...)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

“Associate Degrees in black studies.”

Now where can all us rednecks go and git us one of them degrees? I reckon we could all git rich if we had us a degree like that. Can’t git that kinda education out behind the barn, that’s for shore.


27 posted on 02/01/2015 6:46:16 AM PST by RipSawyer (OPM is the religion of the sheeple.)
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To: FreedomNotSafety

Or, let me put it differently.

The rationale for the higher taxes is that they depress carbon usage by making carbon based fuels differentially more expensive. I’m saying that they don’t even pretend to design a tax that would focus on this—it’s just an excuse for expanded revenue collection.

The Carbon Lockbox would be every bit as secure as the Social Security Lockbox.


28 posted on 02/01/2015 6:49:21 AM PST by Pearls Before Swine
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To: Savage Beast
Are these people dishonest or delusional?

Yes.

29 posted on 02/01/2015 6:49:22 AM PST by Colonel_Flagg (You're either in or in the way.)
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To: Gaffer

I hope you’re wrong, but fear you’re right.


30 posted on 02/01/2015 6:52:18 AM PST by Oldeconomybuyer (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.)
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To: Pearls Before Swine

Now you’re cooking...with gas!

Btw, love that cartoon.


31 posted on 02/01/2015 6:57:43 AM PST by FreedomNotSafety
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To: kiryandil
Maybe Congress can pass legislation MANDATING “global warming”.

That's actually not necessary. Climate 'scientists', meteorological services, etc. know the grant issuing and administering bureaucrats EXPECT warming, so they massage the data (they call it "homogenizing"), mutter "double, double, toil and trouble" over the steaming cauldron, and- after adding a satisfactory quantity of hair of frog and eye of newt - VOILA! Warming has been tortured out of the raw data.

Skeptical analysts who have compared homogenized temperature records with raw historical data (when they can pry it loose from the CAGW crowd, which invariably tries their damnedest to keep it under lock and key), find that the homogenization process resulted in reducing historical temperature, creating warming trends invisible in the raw data.

32 posted on 02/01/2015 6:58:37 AM PST by Spartan79 (I view great cities as pestilential to the morals, the health, and the liberties of man. Jefferson)
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To: kiryandil
Maybe Congress can pass legislation MANDATING “global warming”.

That's actually not necessary. Climate 'scientists', meteorological services, etc. know the grant issuing and administering bureaucrats EXPECT warming, so they massage the data (they call it "homogenizing"), mutter "double, double, toil and trouble" over the steaming cauldron, and- after adding a satisfactory quantity of hair of frog and eye of newt - VOILA! Warming has been tortured out of the raw data.

Skeptical analysts who have compared homogenized temperature records with raw historical data (when they can pry it loose from the CAGW crowd, which invariably tries their damnedest to keep it under lock and key), find that the homogenization process resulted in reducing historical temperature, creating warming trends invisible in the raw data.

33 posted on 02/01/2015 6:58:38 AM PST by Spartan79 (I view great cities as pestilential to the morals, the health, and the liberties of man. Jefferson)
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To: kiryandil

December was really warm compared to last year. Just saying.


34 posted on 02/01/2015 7:04:38 AM PST by hawkaw
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To: palmer
Not as bad as last winter.

Proof of Global Warming!

Sure it is remarkably cold this year but last year it was worse so the world is getting warmer.

35 posted on 02/01/2015 7:19:13 AM PST by Bubba_Leroy (The Obamanation Continues)
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To: kiryandil
Maybe Congress can pass legislation MANDATING “global warming”.

Perhaps King "Canute" Obama can issue an executive order to the Sun...

To start making more sunspots

so we don't get another ice age


36 posted on 02/01/2015 7:51:19 AM PST by spokeshave (He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harass our people,)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Did you forget the puke bucket warning?


37 posted on 02/01/2015 7:53:56 AM PST by Yaelle (No Cruz? Then "I'm Ready for Hillary; What Difference Does It Make?")
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Risky Business Project?

Sounds like they derived their name from the 1980's Tom Cruise film which had prostitution as one of its plot lines!

38 posted on 02/01/2015 8:09:27 AM PST by mellow velo
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To: palmer
It is not hard to imagine their hidden agenda (Goldman Sachs wants the money, etc.)

I understand that they would reap the commissions on trading carbon credits on some exchange. If so, the old saying "Follow the money" is Spot On.

39 posted on 02/01/2015 8:30:47 AM PST by Oatka (This is America. Assimilate or evaporate.)
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To: spokeshave
Looks like that metric has leveled off above 2000. See fig 1: http://hmi.stanford.edu/hminuggets/?p=618 However that leveling off may be due to the recent solar max and the downtrend may continue in the next minimum.
40 posted on 02/01/2015 10:44:16 AM PST by palmer (Free is when you don't have to pay for nothing. Or do nothing. We want Obamanet.)
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