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Mikhail Gorbachev accuses United States of drawing Russia into new Cold War
AFP ^ | January 30, 1015

Posted on 02/01/2015 8:52:24 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe

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To: ansel12

So do weak Presidents. Obama has ruined the USA for at least a Decade.


41 posted on 02/01/2015 10:27:34 PM PST by MaxMax (Pay Attention and you'll be pissed off too! FIRE BOEHNER, NOW!)
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To: laplata

I mean in real life, anyone can say ally with China and launch Total Global Thermo Nuclear war.

That would easily be the end of Russia and China as well, along with all the other things that we have known about for 50 years, which include Nuclear Winter and destroying life as we know it, there is a reason that the all powerful Soviet Union allowed itself to be destroyed rather than annihilate itself totally by launching WWIII.


42 posted on 02/01/2015 10:29:09 PM PST by ansel12 (Civilization, Crusade against the Mohammedan Death Cult.)
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To: Chad_the_Impaler

Oh no, Gorby looks like my Father at that age. I may need to check our family tree.


43 posted on 02/01/2015 10:29:16 PM PST by MaxMax (Pay Attention and you'll be pissed off too! FIRE BOEHNER, NOW!)
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To: ansel12

Good points. I still say anything nasty is possible under Obama.

And the likelihood of retaliation under Obama is probably Zero.

Taking out some of our major cities isn’t going to cause Nuclear Winter.


44 posted on 02/01/2015 10:37:05 PM PST by laplata ( Liberals/Progressives have diseased minds.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Yep, it’s our fault AGAIN!

When has it ever been Russia’s fault for anything?

Answer me that one Gorby.


45 posted on 02/01/2015 10:41:18 PM PST by DoughtyOne (The question is Jeb Bush. The answer is NO!)
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To: A Navy Vet

If I understand this right, the U. S. has goaded Russia into a new cold war by disarming, acting like a third rate nation, and basically implementing a foreign policy in need of a Black Sea sized dose of Xanax.

I may have to take back my anti-Gorby comment, but of course this isn’t what he meant.

It’s the case, just not what he meant.


46 posted on 02/01/2015 10:45:11 PM PST by DoughtyOne (The question is Jeb Bush. The answer is NO!)
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To: laplata

But it would be total war, NATO has 3 nuclear powers and many advanced militaries, Russia is not going to simply destroy itself by ending it all with nuclear weapons.


47 posted on 02/01/2015 10:45:53 PM PST by ansel12 (Civilization, Crusade against the Mohammedan Death Cult.)
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To: ansel12

If the US was attacked and Obama didn’t retaliate, the UK and France might sit it out.

We are in insane times.


48 posted on 02/01/2015 10:58:33 PM PST by laplata ( Liberals/Progressives have diseased minds.)
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To: laplata

Yes and if Martians land in a red state Obama might not even react.


49 posted on 02/01/2015 11:01:12 PM PST by ansel12 (Civilization, Crusade against the Mohammedan Death Cult.)
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To: ansel12
You have more faith in Obama and others than I do. I guess I'm just too cynical these days.
50 posted on 02/01/2015 11:04:40 PM PST by laplata ( Liberals/Progressives have diseased minds.)
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To: laplata

....”We are in insane times”...

We are in a world wide transitional phase....to the NWO....and there will be continued unrest and craziness. It’s moving faster now then I’ve seen it for many years, though it’s been doing so for some time...it’s more like there’s a push behind it and positioning of so much it’s hard to keep up with it all.

While the military are fighting against Islam...the churches are attempting to unify with Islam...which is really Government officials using the churches. Difficult times ahead...for sure...


51 posted on 02/01/2015 11:04:50 PM PST by caww
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To: caww
You're right. But they won't be able to implement the NWO as long as the USA is a strong and sovereign nation.
52 posted on 02/01/2015 11:07:56 PM PST by laplata ( Liberals/Progressives have diseased minds.)
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To: laplata

I don’t need to have faith in Obama to not want to share your fantasies, that Russia is suddenly eager to destroy itself by launching a nuclear war against the West.

Why? What is it that they want so badly that they want to commit suicide over?


53 posted on 02/01/2015 11:09:17 PM PST by ansel12 (Civilization, Crusade against the Mohammedan Death Cult.)
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To: EagleUSA

I’ve been told that Putin is like Hitler.

When Germany hosted the Olympics in the summer of 1936, Hitler was nice and even backed off on persecuting Jews for a while.

The protests in Ukraine and the violence against the protestors in Kiev that led to the pro-Russian government being overthrown and all the events including the war that followed happened during the Winter Olympics at Sochi.

I frankly don’t think Putin was behind the killing of the protestors at Maidan Square that triggered all the following events. Putin was staging his showcase Olympics at the time and was not interested in doing anything bad during the games.

Some outside force or forces created the turmoil in Ukraine that is a Hot War between Russia and Ukraine and a Cold War between Russia and the West.

And creepy guys like John McCain and Lindsey Graham, who are buddies with the terrorists in Syria fighting Assad want to draw this nation into the wars in Syria and Ukraine.

Perhaps we need to follow the money trail to McCain and Graham to find out who may be behind the trouble in Ukraine and the Syrian Civil War.....


54 posted on 02/01/2015 11:20:35 PM PST by Nextrush (OBAMACARE IS A BAILOUT FOR THE HEALTHCARE INDUSTRY)
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To: faithhopecharity
Pretty good article.......there are others who see this as well and have tried many times to explain what's been going down in Ukraine and throughout that region and why.

Bottom line is Obama wanted to push back Russia from it's relationship with the EU as he had all but made himself worse than a dodo bird when it came to his foreign policies.....Libya, Syria, Egypt all were failures. The US was fast loosing it's influence so Obama showed them who was the boss man....

Oh did the strong arming come in....Obama is using “Economic Warfare” on European Nations when they refuse to get on board with him....the chicago tactics came out hard and heavy....and they yielded. Deals struck all over the place! Poland lucked out as did others for going along to get along...but it riled Germany when that deal went through.

Meanwhile Russia's been cut out of the loop which is exactly what Obama wanted...what he didn't figure, but what he was heavily warned of, was playing these tactics would push Russia toward China and other Erasian countries.....and of course here we are today.

Basically you got a Chicago thug and a former KGB thug hashing it out on the world stage......

Unfortunately Obama’s playing the wrong cards with Israel.....he's more concerned about giving the ME nations Israel so he can flaunt an Israeli Palestinian Peace Treaty...BIBI said no deal...so now he's sent his ground crew to affect BIBI’s election....BIBI stands in the way of Obama’s ultimate win.....and the dealing he and Jarrett are with Iran....

Oh I could go on and on about this...but bottom line is you don't play in the Globalist Game for the NWO you're going down one way or another...Proof?

Libya, Egypt's Mubarak, Iraq's Saddam, Syria's Assad, all who refused to deal....and now going after Israel's BIBI too!.....

55 posted on 02/01/2015 11:47:34 PM PST by caww
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To: laplata

Exactly....and in order to bring the ME nations under the NWO roof...they have to change the leadership to those who will comply....(thus color revolutions occur).

It’s not that the US needs to be weaker at this point...it’s that Obama and the Globalists are willing to see that happen to gain the advantages they seek in the EU and Middle East......we’re just the military threat and economic bank for them to draw on until they’re done with us.

BTW...Russia was in the way.....and China isn’t going to stand by and watch this indefinately....they are “preparing”....though when they act it will be sometime down the road.


56 posted on 02/01/2015 11:54:24 PM PST by caww
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To: Tailgunner Joe

That’s a projection. The U.S.A. was not the nation doing the “drawing.”


57 posted on 02/01/2015 11:55:29 PM PST by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

That old commie is still alive?

Bleah!


58 posted on 02/02/2015 12:51:09 AM PST by DemforBush (A Repo Man is always intense!)
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To: JohnBrowdie
with any luck, he can unwin the WWII before he leaves office

If he pushes it real hard he can unwin all the way back to the American Revolution

59 posted on 02/02/2015 2:18:50 AM PST by teacherwoes (Alethephobia-fear of hearing the truth)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER
Obama is putting the whole world at risk with his stupidity

The Constitution has safeguards. We don't have leaders in the judiciary or in DC who are responding to what's happening to the US and its global effect.

60 posted on 02/02/2015 2:52:17 AM PST by grania
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