Most Vaccines Should be Voluntary

Politico ^ | 02/02/2015 | Adam Lerner

[Mamzelle]

Vaccines don't last forever. Do you know anyone who got shingles? That's chicken pox, or understood to be chicken pox. If you had it as a kid, you have the virus and when the virus gets powerful enough, you'll get the shingles.

I don't follow your reasoning. If a vaccine is not perfect, doesn't last forever for everyone, we should stop getting vaccines?

[Mamzelle]

I do notice (as a pro-innoculationist here, lol) that the same elitist jerks like the Bushes who want to throw open our borders to disease, are the ones most strident in promoting vaccinations. I guess when your kid succumbs to a disease the Bush Family brought in, they’re ready to blame lack of vaccination or too many trips to Bush Gardens or Disneland.

[Don Corleone]

People have the right to decide their own health care.

And Public Schools and the like have the right to set their own admission standards. No vaccination, no admittance. Vaccinations wiped out those diseases. Now an insecure border and unthinking parents have once again opened the door to national epidemics.

[a fool in paradise]

You are myopic in that you are willing to concede ineffectiveness but not willing to volunteer (in that post) potential health impact.

Securing the damn border would do far more to reduce the spread of infectious diseases (many of which had been eradicated in this country, like polio) but there is NO political will to do that.

And the HPV thing was a bogus power grab. MEN and women can BOTH get HPV and BOTH get cancers from HPV but only girls were to be vaccinated. Even if only 'womyn' suffered from the HPV infections, men would remain carriers and potentially put unvaccinated (older or immigrant) women at risk. Making it was "women's issue" was designed to silence male voices. Michael Douglas got cancer from HPV. It happens (throat, testicular, etc.).

"Men's lives matter".

[Mamzelle]

The blog is a journal. Everything is a journal these days. My point is strengthened.

Lawyers? Yuck, ptoooieee! Wish we could vaccinate against lawyers, or at least send them all to Gulags.

[azkathy]

“They’re laying the groundwork for forced vaccinations.”

You are correct and when I read your comments I wished FR had a Like button. :)

[goodnesswins]

That’s what I keep asking.....

[AxeofCrom]

Two wrongs don’t make a right, but the issue here is mutation. If people want to let their children die, it’s no skin off my behind, but if the dang thing mutates and infects me, I’m gonna be pretty honked off.

[Mamzelle]

Well, if you want to discuss the HPV vaccine in particular, I agree that it should be scrutinized. I also agree that men are carriers of the virus, which is why *maybe* girls should be vaccinated. It is girls who get cervical cancer, although you may know some men whose cervixes have metastasized.

One thing you may be reacting to is the way the creators of the vaccine have been slow to explain the relationship between STDs and cervical cancer via HPV. This was not necessarily about deceiving you…it was in part to keep from heaping calumny on those women who actually got cervical cancer…which is almost always from some kind of STD. IOW, they did not want to stigmatize cancer sufferers.

Now, with the HPV vaccine in particular, I would agree that it should be absolutely voluntary for attendance in public schools. OTOH, not so for other diseases.

[Sioux-san]

I was thinking the same thing, that the STD may be transmitted by the mother through the birth canal. However, the mother can be tested for everything under the sun during prenatal care, so I reject the “one size fits all” approach. Every newborn has drops put in the eyes to prevent syphilis. Makes no sense any more to do that routinely when the mom can be tested.

[ifinnegan]

I don’t disagree that Rand Paul gets some things right, but less and less so it seems.

“Some schools have already told students who haven’t been vaccinated for Measles to stay home. Some doctors have refused to see unvaccinated patients.”

I think these are reasonable responses.

People take the health and lack of disease in society due to the advent of effective vaccinations for granted.

It’s analogous in my mind to the liberals who take the freedoms we won by fighting evil for granted and don’t think the military is important anymore, or is in their opinion a force for bad rather than good.

[Mamzelle]

In the old days, children died like flies.

[Beagle8U]

Liberal that don’t want to pay taxes...Libtardians.

[1010RD]

You mean because of my very reasonable stance that people are obligated to be vaccinated against preventable disease?

Must you throw out your trash? Have a functioning waste system for your home?

I live in an urban area and what once were ‘normal’, mature perspectives on living well are now ignored. Who benefits from that?

Should you be allowed to spread cholera or leprosy by your uncleanness? Most people live in urban or suburban areas. Think for a minute or as long as it takes you to reason it out, but do use reason.

[Carry_Okie]

The real problem here is bad product marketing resulting from a long legacy of socialized risk management. They have vaccines for everything these days, especially flu viruses that nobody has a the time.

Usually, one doesn't even know who made the vaccine or how. Is it a GMO, or live animal culture? They can't tell you. Are there porcine viruses in there? What are the adjuvants? Is there squalene in it? Nobody can tell you. THE MANUFACTURERS DON'T EVEN OFFER A LIST OF INGREDIENTS, much less an independently validated safety record.

This would never happen in a competitive free market, where vaccine producers would be ADVERTISING the quality, safety, and efficacy of their products along with data from third party validation services.

[momtothree]

“... some men whose cervixes have metastasized”.

Cervixes should be cancer (I know that is what you meant since men don’t have a cervix. Except Bruce Jenner.. he may have one soon)

[1010RD]

Tradition is something we do so well, we’ve forgotten why we do it.

[Bogey78O]

Don’t forget the section that has only one date on it because the mother caught “harmless” rubella.

[henkster]

In the old days before there was a vaccination for everything responsible parents kept very young infants away from places where diseases were spread until they're immune systems developed.

And they still died...

[Black Agnes]

Since you refuse to click the link, I’ll post the law firm’s information here:

“FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE-AUGUST 27,2014

STATEMENT OF WILLIAM W. THOMPSON, Ph.D., REGARDING THE 2004 ARTICLE EXAMINING THE POSSIBILITY OF A RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN MMR VACCINE AND AUTISM

My name is William Thompson. I am a Senior Scientist with the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, where I have worked since 1998.

I regret that my coauthors and I omitted statistically significant information in our 2004 article published in the journal Pediatrics. The omitted data suggested that African American males who received the MMR vaccine before age 36 months were at increased risk for autism. Decisions were made regarding which findings to report after the data were collected, and I believe that the final study protocol was not followed.

...”

Ie, they had data that showed a 300+% increase in autism following MMR adminstration, and deliberately left it out. Note that the name ‘Thompson’ is not the same as ‘Wakefield’.