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To: ConservingFreedom
Your Burke quotation establishes that marijuana legalization "has nothing to do with freedom" only under the baseless assumption that all marijuana use (including legal use) is "intemperate."

The term "Legal" in this context is baseless. Legality has become so cut loose from it's moral underpinnings as to represent no compelling argument.

We are a nation in social decline, and you are working to accelerate it.

131 posted on 02/06/2015 12:08:15 PM PST by DiogenesLamp
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To: DiogenesLamp
Your Burke quotation establishes that marijuana legalization "has nothing to do with freedom" only under the baseless assumption that all marijuana use (including legal use) is "intemperate."

The term "Legal" in this context is baseless. Legality has become so cut loose from it's moral underpinnings as to represent no compelling argument.

The term "legal" in my parenthetical note was not intended as an argument but simply to clarify the breadth of the preceding "all." Or if you mean that you weren't talking about marijuana legalization at all, then what were you talking about - what is "intemperate" and what should we do about it?

135 posted on 02/06/2015 12:13:38 PM PST by ConservingFreedom (A goverrnment strong enough to impose your standards is strong enough to ban them.)
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To: DiogenesLamp

We are a nation in social decline, and you are working to accelerate it.


We kind of agree there and I’m actually working to accelerate it in a way. That is, I think it is God’s will that we see how lost we are without Him. As people are free to chose for themselves and choose not to follow Him, they will be a lesson for those contemplating the choice. If nobody acts out because they literally CAN’T act out, you end up with a “civilized” but Godless country full of miserable zoo animals.

I’ll go as far as to say that the more Godless a society, the LESS choice people have to do evil OR good. I think Satan’s desire was to utterly control mankind. God’s desire is to let us choose Him - and our behavior - freely, not out of compulsion.

I’m all for laws that prevent us from harming others, but once they get into that gray area (e.g. drunk driving) we must be very careful.

I use drunk driving as an example becaue it is not the same as shooting someone. You may drunk drive for YEARS and never hurt someone. But that does not mean we don’t protect people from it. However, it’s different than making it illegal to run people down with your car.

But I lump making Marijuana illegle in with stuff like making incandescent light bulbs illegal or requiring people to recycle. It’s nanny state stuff. And drug laws didn’t exist for most of our country’s history.

All that being said, I also adhere to this quote: The less virtuous a people, the greater its need for laws.

That may be the true problem here. As we become more and more godless, our society becomes more and more coarse.


163 posted on 02/06/2015 12:40:58 PM PST by cuban leaf (The US will not survive the obama presidency. The world may not either.)
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