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Reliance on the Virtue of Politicians Cannot Restore our Republic.

Posted on 02/06/2015 1:16:27 PM PST by Jacquerie

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To: PapaNew
The feds will never go down without a fight.

It will truly be us (states) against them (feds)

Will the rank and file UIV realize it ?

81 posted on 02/07/2015 1:39:52 PM PST by onona (Obama's entire term reads like a John Semmens post.)
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To: PapaNew

Well said.


82 posted on 02/07/2015 4:35:38 PM PST by Hugh the Scot ( Total War)
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To: PapaNew
State nullification of unconstitutional federal law. Leave off cajoling, forcing, begging, trying to fix the feds who don't want to be fixed and let the states assert their constitutional power as supported by the Supremacy Clause and the Ninth and Tenth Amendments. State sovereignty.

All you have to do is get those wimp @$$ governors to stand up, but I wouldn't hold my breath. I have been advocating this as a CW II prevention move for a long time.

Then again I felt like the TEA Party Caucus should change their party affiliation to deny a majority to the traitorous GOPe....

83 posted on 02/07/2015 7:47:57 PM PST by itsahoot (55 years a republican-Now Independent. Will write in Sarah Palin, no matter who runs. $.98-$.89<$.10)
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To: PapaNew

Bumping your post to the top and repeating a portion of it:

“How has the federal government manged to accumulate this massive and unconstitutional size and power? Up until now, it has been mostly judicial activism on the part of SCOTUS allowing and ratifying unconstitutional federal power not contemplated by our Founders. The top three political causes, IMO, are:

1) “The Incorporation Doctrine” (judicially misapplied to the 14th Amendment)leading to a growth in the feds power not contemplated by the ratifiers of the 14A and leading to a parade of horribles like banning prayer and Bible study in state schools, 70+ million abortions, threatening gun rights, interference with state marriage laws, threatening free exercise of religion, etc.

. 2) The [Interstate] Commerce Clause (Art I, Sec 8, Cl 3)expanded to give the feds almost unlimited power over intrastate and local economic activities leading to minimum wage laws, individual subsidies, and interference in just about every business enterprise and economic endeavor, the latest, most obvious being the push to socialize healthcare with “Obamacare”.

3) The “Necessary and Proper Clause” (Art I, Sec 8, Cl 18) expanded beyond constitutional grounds and limits to such an extent that a quasi-fourth branch of government has been created: the Administrative State with behemoth bureaucracies like the $1 trillion unconstitutional Dept of Health and Human Services.

Although the 17A issue may be an important one (I certainly believe in the republican principle of decentralized representation), I think these other issue are more directly the causes of our #1 problem.”


84 posted on 02/08/2015 7:01:38 AM PST by TEXOKIE (We must surrender only to our Holy God and never to the evil that has befallen us.)
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To: Hostage
Section 2 of Amendment 28 above amends the Supremacy Clause. The states by majority vote of 2/3’s of state legislatures can override anything. And why not?

That kind of amendment doesn't change the Constitution - it essentially destroys it by nullifying its supreme authority.

If you're going to nullify the authority of the U.S. Constitution at will, why do you need an amendment to the Constitution to do it? That's silly. If you're going to ignore the Constitution, why do you need the Constitution's permission via an amendment to do it? Just do it.

But why nullify the supreme authority of the Constitution? What problem does that fix? You need to get back to what is the root political problem. The problem is an out of control government mostly committing unconstitutional acts. How does state nullification of the Constitution fix that? However, state nullification of unconstitutional federal acts attacks the problem directly.

It doesn't really matter to me who the author of this proposed Section 2 of Amendment 28 is. You are advocating and proposing it so I am addressing you on it. What you propose is abandonment of the Rule of Law, the Constitution, which is our only legal protection in this country against the whimsical Rule of Man, which is tyranny. Again, that IS the problem with government today. The answer isn't more of the same at the state level, but putting government, back into its constitutional cage. That has and always will be the key to protecting our freedoms in this country from attack within and without.

85 posted on 02/08/2015 8:45:06 AM PST by PapaNew (The grace of God & freedom always win the debate in the forum of ideas over unjust law & government)
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To: itsahoot
You hit the nail on the head. When it's all said and done, it's all about the money.

The question is, are there enough people in any state who want freedom badly enough to brave whatever needs to be braved to recover it? To be the land of the free, we must be the home of the brave. We can be if we come back to trusting God, not man.

86 posted on 02/08/2015 8:52:57 AM PST by PapaNew (The grace of God & freedom always win the debate in the forum of ideas over unjust law & government)
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