Posted on 02/08/2015 10:43:01 AM PST by jerod
Troy Vincent is the Executive Vice President of Football Operations for the NFL... According to news reports such as this one from ESPN he claims that Ryan Grigson, the General Manager of the Colts alerted the NFL to deflated footballs during the AFC Championship, and that it was his decision to follow through with an inspection of the balls, without informing his boss Roger Goodell.
Keep in mind, the PSI of an NFL football has NEVER been inspected at the half-time of any NFL game in history... EVER!
And here is the rub... Troy Vincent has strong ties to the Philadelphia Eagles. He played with the team as a CB from 1999 to 2003, and he maintained strong ties to the organization being named in 2007 to the Philadelphia Eagles 75th Anniversary Team, and in 2011 he personally announced the Philadelphia Eagles 2nd Round Draft Pick at the 2011 NFL Draft.
Ryan Grigson (another former NFL player) and the current GM of the Indianapolis Colts also has strong ties to the Philadelphia Eagles. He was hired as a regional scout in 2004, and got promoted to director of college scouting in 2006 and director of player personnel from 2010 until he was hired by the Colts in 2012. For context, let's remember what happened to the organization these two men were associated with and where they were initially acquainted with each other.
Just after Vincent left and Ryan Grigson was hired by the Eagles in 2004... The Patriots attained their 3rd Super Bowl win against that team which had gone to the NFC Championship 4 consecutive years, winning the NFC title only once and then losing to Tom Brady, Bill Belichick and the New England Patriots.
The fact that these two former NFL football players were both associated with the Philadelphia Eagles organization in some form, and that they just happened to be the two key individuals who were responsible for the term 'deflate-gate' now being a common phrase in our lexicon is not necessarily nefarious in itself... But it is rather curious none the less.
Add to that this tidbit... Vincent was the President of the NFL players association from 2004 until 2008. He was then replaced by Kevin Mawae. In 2009 the Players Association announced they were investigating whether during his tenure as president Vincent disclosed confidential personal and financial information about a number of player agents. Vincent was alleged to have emailed this information to his longtime business partner for the benefit of a financial services firm co-owned by the two men. Apparently , AP uncovered no evidence to support the contention... But the allegations were obviously there... Making Troy Vincent somewhat unfavourable to the NFLPA.
Just saying.
>>If a flatter football allows a player to haul in a football that would otherwise go bouncing off his fingers, couldn’t this affect the game? <<
If that is true, then interceptions would be more likely to happen. Where’s the advantage?
ravens fan here. ravens were up 14 twice. pats won fair and square. time to move on. i think the ravens got beat because flacco went brain dead in the second half. actually they choked big time.
See my post at #13.
The lack of honesty is the with the people who are piously pushing for some kind of punitive action agains the Patriots, just like some on this thread.
They haven’t even got the stones to speak what is really driving them. I have far more contempt for them than the people who just out and out say they hate New England because they win, have beat the team they root for, whatever.
It's a 25K dollar fine. Why make up punishment?
I forgot this tidbit... Ryan Grigson was also a scout for the the Rams and was part of Rams’ NFC Championship/Super Bowl XXXVI team in 2001 that lost to the Patriots... This dude was screwed out of two Super Bowl rings by the Patriots and the team he has been the General Manager of has lost to the Patriots two consecutive years in a row... Hmmmm
They’re former employees of the Eagles and the Rams and apparently they are cheating themselves... When you consistently lose to a team like the Patriots, like Ryan Grigson has, maybe they aren’t cheating... Maybe, just maybe, the team you are scouting for or being a GM for just sucks. And you are cheating yourself by refusing to recognize that you are a loser
Spygate cannot be dispelled with flatulence. Cheaters they are.
We need go back and investigate Jerry Rice’s Super Bowl wins. An interview has surfaced that he admits cheating by using stick em.
Kraft wants the apology because of the leaks from the NFL FO to the press smearing his team. The NFL was the source of the rumors. Opening this particular can of worms.
So how did the ‘PAtriots’ Empolyee know the deflate the one ball in the COlts possession and not all the others if the latest report is accurate?
LOL.
Did you skip science in HS?
Perhaps Algore was your science adviser.
How many close games has NE been in in the past few years? An anti-Voter ID paper posted at NYU’s Brennan Justice stated in the last linr that election fraud only made a difference in a close election anyway. Deflated footballs would only make a difference in a close game. Cheaters cheat.
In the past the Patriots were illegally filming signals and were told to stop. They did not, and were caught again, resulting in “spygate”. They also were caught using a second helmet radio frequency to circumvent the rule that helmet radios are shut off when the play clock hits 15 seconds. With a secret second frequency the coaches could keep talking to Tom Brady right up to the snap and even after it, potentially notifying him of open receivers, coverages, etc). Now the balls. There is a pattern of skirting or outright disregarding the rules by this organization. They have lost all benefit of the doubt.
Interesting, thanks.
There's isn't one iota of proof that the Patriots cheated. They beat Baltimore because they played a better defensive game. The Pat just flat out blew the Colts away. What incontrovertible proof do you have the Pat's cheated in either game? If you know something the league doesn't know, I'm sure the NFL would love to hear it.
They know. It would not have been leaked in full detail immediately after the game directly from the NFL. They would not have pulled all the balls during the first half after suspicions arose about the low pressure. The NFL has never taken those steps before. No balls in Green Bay, Chicago, Cleveland or Buffalo had ever lost so much pressure...even when temps were more than 30 degrees or more below Foxboro that day. I am SURE it’s just a coincidence. The only thing they may not have are the exact details.
With you logic, Obama has never done anything outside of the Constitution, since he hasn’t been impeached.
Since I have more than a passing knowledge of the effects of temperature on atmospheric pressure, the only way the NFL will ever find intentional wrongdoing is for someone to admit to deflating the balls on purpose.
New England is not my team. It is very possible that someone broke a rule. But it is highly possible that no intentional wrongdoing occurred. Whatever they find, they find.
If the NFL thinks is such a big deal, they need to make the ball-boys part of the officiating crew and remove them from the team’s control.
Fact: The pressure in the game balls was never confirmed by the officials before the game, therefore, nobody knows if the balls were inflated properly or not.
Fact: the only ball in question was in possession of the Colts for an extended period of time (Can we say TAMPERING).
Fact: The Patriots outplayed the Colts both defensively and offensively on the ground and in the air.
Once again, I ask you for proof and not conjecture or your opinion. Fact of the matter is you can't supply proof because it doesn't exist. All you can supply is the same rhetoric we have heard in the media since the beginning of the playoffs and most of it has been proven false. Give me tangible evidence that the Pat's cheated or go away.
It was determined during the Spygate fiasco that there was absolutely no competitive advantage gained by filming your opponents bench.. NONE! The fact is, the Patriots have been one the most successful NFL franchises in history. They have beaten a lot of teams and the owners and GM’s and to some extent, the players of those teams are perplexed. They assume there must be some excuse or reason why their teams aren’t able to do what the Patriots have done.
The reason why they are being beat has nothing to do with filming benches, or deflating balls, or the radio frequencies ‘Kenneth’... They are being beat because Tom Brady is one of the best QB’s to have ever played this game, and Bill Belichick can out coach any of the other 31 coaches in the league on any given day... PERIOD!
It would be nice to have an excuse, but essentially there are no excuses for guys like Ryan Grigson... The team is the General Manager of (the Colts) and the ones he used to work for (the Rams and the Eagles) were all beaten fair a square and accepting that is something he’s going to need to get used to... Because there will NEVER be an asterisk on any of the Patriots wins.. EVER! PERIOD!
They scored 28 points in the second half with properly inflated balls.
Question...who sabotaged the balls in the first half?
Also, NFL.com's Ian Rappaport reported that only one ball was not properly inflated.
This could explain why the Eagles won the Super Bowl so many times....oh....wait a minute.....nevermind!
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