http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-31449981
Posted on 02/15/2015 8:06:00 AM PST by WhiskeyX
Leftist, meh.
Russia was at NATO boarders during the cold war and tensions were higher than now.
Russia has neither the will nor means to take us on long term. They just know our dumbass prez will do nothing.
“You have lost some allies”
Most of “them” is most likely 1 guy (assigned to FR) under several screen names.
Yep, they’re getting while the getting’s good.
That’s right Russia was a greater threat, a threat that was defeated, and broken, and now you are supporting them rebuilding by reconquering.
You are basackwards when you say that they have neither the will or the means to take us on long term, that is EXACTLY the opposite of the reality, as we are right this minute discussing their current military operations as part of the process of displaying that will, that goal, and to reestablish those means.
Small scale conflicts, sure they can handle. But large scale prolonged war is not sustainable for them. They knew it during the cold war and know it now.
And sure they are trying to regain territory lost and if Ukraine can hold them off, good for them.
However, should we support every country or group that opposes Putin, no matter their disposition?
Sure, Ukraine says they are pro-west because most there don’t like Putin and he is stomping on them. Who wouldn’t say that?
Then after we stop supporting them they will turn into another corrupt dictatorship.
During the Cold war their plan was to conquer us and the problem was, at what moment could that be accomplished, to have made it worthwhile.
They built a massive empire and had a massive military force unlike anything the world has seen, and all of it built on attack and defeating us in a quick, massive, and brutal attack.
Currently they are in the process of rebuilding and fighting their way back to empire, I oppose that.
You don’t, you don’t even want money going to Ukraine, no weapons, no support of any sort, nothing to get in Russia’s way.
There is ZERO reason for Ukraine not to have the support of other countries, we are friends with and still conduct military exercises in Ukraine, why should we submit to Russia? Why should anyone submit to Russia?
Yeah, that may have been their plan but doubt it would have worked out for them.
Command/control sucked as did most of their troops. Equipment was not that good either.
http://www.denbeste.nu/cd_log_entries/2002/08/TheRussianmilitary.shtml
Some of us were predicting in 1979 that 1984 was roughly the year or period that Russia needed to move, or else they would lose that window.
That period of 1983 1985 was a very tense time to be a part of those NATO forces, the tension was incredible, and Russia was incredibly powerful at the time, with almost 6 sand a half million men, 7 Airborne Divisions, and masses of Air Assault units and Bridge building and Armor units, a vast military force built entirely on attack, attack, attack.
You could feel and see the tension of the soldiers at the Fulda Gap, and Many experts believed that Russia could take Western Europe in weeks.
Now as you support Russia’s military invasion today, you want to try and convince the naive that they were never really the threat that generations of Americans, and world leaders and Presidents said they were.
Another leftist talking point to go with your phony chickenhawk dig at Reagan conservatives, that the left tries to create.
Sorry if the truth hurts your feelings.
On paper the armies of the USSR did look formidable, but hind sight is 20/20.
I’m not saying they’d be a push over but they were not what they said they were or what we thought they were. It’s the truth, like it or not. For the most part they were ill trained, ill equipped and not disciplined. They did have some crack troops but they were few and far between.
Oh well, as long as I don’t agree with you and conform to your narrowed mindedness I’ll just be another putinista.
It wasn’t truth and it didn’t hurt my feelings. I don’t think your memory of the period is very good, and I don’t know if your military service involved you much with the European theater, during the 1980s.
For you nothing changes, Reagan conservatives have always been on the wrong side of Russia, even now as they are fighting in Ukraine.
Go Ted Cruz for 2016. Ted seems to have the right idea on Ukraine.
Reagan was a great leader who came at the right time but this ain’t 1980. This is not the same Russia either. Sure they are corrupt and power hungry but so is everyone else in that region. I bet those at the helm in Ukraine are just as corrupt. If they want to buy weapons, sure, let them buy all they want but to just give them what they need is pissing money away.
We would have to give them billions and billions of dollars in military aid to help them push Russia out. No other country will provide that and then we’d be on the hook with no chance of repayment.
This is the same Russia, they just don’t have the power yet that they did, but they are obviously trying to regain that power and strategic positioning.
I oppose that return to the 1980s, you don’t.
You seem pretty passionate in your opposition to helping Ukraine in any way.
Go Ted Cruz for 2016. Ted seems to have the right idea on Ukraine.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-31449981
The best thing for Ukraine is to force NATO, the US, and regional players out of the country, former US congressman and presidential candidate Ron Paul said. Without foreign meddling in the civil war, Kiev will focus on the nation’s economic collapse.
“Get the foreigners out of there [Ukraine], get the Europeans out, the US out, get NATO out, and get the Russians out,” Paul said at the International Students for Liberty Conference in Washington on Friday. “There will be less of a civil war going on there because they will have to worry about their debt. This is an economic matter too. You have to realize that the country is totally bankrupt.”
We must ask ourselves, why did Ukraine have the highest GDP of the USSR and since the collapse of the USSR has gone completely bankrupt? I’m not a big fan of Dr. Paul, but, he is on to something here. THis does seem to be a CIA fueled war to contain Russia—a global war for natural gas and oil rights. I’m not so sure we are getting the full story on this conflict.
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