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To: azkathy

This kind of delaying is horribly irresponsible and stupid. It isn’t just daycare where children are exposed. If a parent ever takes the child out of the house or allows anyone to visit, that child can be exposed. In some cases, the parent can expose the child. Whooping cough, for example, often causes minimal symptoms but it is serious and potentially deadly to babies whose immune systems are still undeveloped and cannot fight it off.

I seriously question the notion that parents somehow have the expertise to “do their own research” and come up with a vaccination schedule that is somehow more effective than the schedule that panels of experts (physicians and PhD scientists) review regularly and recommend. All they are doing is substituting the best expert opinion possible for the non-expert opinion of someone trying to make easy money—either way, they aren’t “doing their own research.”

I hate to say it, but the expertise resulting from the decades of education and experience represented in an expert panel cannot be replicated by parents who have taken a couple of high school science classes and know how to use Google.

There is a term for people who think that they know as much as the experts in a subject: it’s the Dunning-Kruger effect. That’s what happens when people who have a tiny bit of knowledge about a subject think they know everything. Conversely, when people actually learn a subject in-depth (as through the process of earning a PhD or equivalent), they then realize that no matter how much they learn, there is always more to learn, and they then underestimate the level of their knowledge.


6 posted on 02/15/2015 8:50:38 AM PST by exDemMom (Current visual of the hole the US continues to dig itself into: http://www.usdebtclock.org/)
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To: exDemMom

This gentleman hit’s the nail on the head. “History is replete with what people believed being later dispelled. But as Dr. Walter R. Hadwen correctly said in 1896, “Majorities are never the proof of truth.”

The choice to vaccinate should be the individual – not dictated by laws. But those that push for more and more laws and shield vaccine manufactures from any responsibility whatsoever disagree. Since all vaccines are akin to the holy grail of the medical world those that question are considered heretics that must be crucified – if not literally certainly figuratively.

Emeritus Professor F. W. Newman stated in 1874 “I assert that it is beyond the functions of law to dictate a medical procedure, or enforce any scientific theory.” No truer words were spoken. That’s what freedom and self-determination are in an enlightened society. We certainly can’t have that.”

- See more at: http://www.vaccinationcouncil.org/2014/10/09/crucifying-the-vaccine-heretics-by-roman-bystrianyk-co-author-dissolving-illusions-disease-vaccines-and-the-forgotten-history/#sthash.KgqyJyrf.dpuf


7 posted on 02/15/2015 8:54:48 AM PST by azkathy (OBAMA IS WEARING OUT MY CAPS LOCK!!!)
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To: exDemMom

I don’t think this Expert should be considered “stupid” DO YOU?

“There are unanswered questions about vaccine safety... No one should be threatened by the pursuit of this knowledge.” “I think public health officials have been too quick to dismiss the hypothesis as irrational without sufficient studies of causation.” - Dr Bernadine Healy, MD (Former Director, National Institute of Health and Former President, American Red Cross)


8 posted on 02/15/2015 9:00:47 AM PST by azkathy (OBAMA IS WEARING OUT MY CAPS LOCK!!!)
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To: exDemMom

“the schedule that panels of experts (physicians and PhD scientists) review regularly and recommend.” Yes, I know what these experts recommend-don’t you think it is ludicrous to “recommend” that newborn babies be immunized for HEP B, a blood born, sexually transmitted disease that most babies are not even at risk for?

If that alone doesn’t make you question their recommendations, good for you. Just don’t try to convince me that these Experts have a right to make serious health/medical decisions for my family. I obviously understand the risks we should be concerned about better than they do.


10 posted on 02/15/2015 9:07:11 AM PST by azkathy (OBAMA IS WEARING OUT MY CAPS LOCK!!!)
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To: exDemMom

Do you think this Expert understands the issue? “There is a great deal of evidence to prove that immunization of children does more harm than good.” “The manufacturers of these vaccines know they are worthless but they go on selling them anyway.” - Dr J Anthony Morris, PhD (Former Chief Vaccine Control Officer and Research Virologist, US FDA)


13 posted on 02/15/2015 9:20:23 AM PST by azkathy (OBAMA IS WEARING OUT MY CAPS LOCK!!!)
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To: exDemMom

As I mentioned earlier, just because you are OK with the CDC current schedule of immunizations are you OK with what some Government entity decides you should have in the future?

They do have over 300 immunizations in the Pipeline. Some will target adults. See info here http://www.phrma.org/media/releases/nearly-300-vaccines-development-prevention-treatment-disease

I believe that we must fight to defend our personal rights. NO ONE has the right to tell me I must be injected with something, against my will.

“The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.”- Edmund Burke


15 posted on 02/15/2015 9:30:42 AM PST by azkathy (OBAMA IS WEARING OUT MY CAPS LOCK!!!)
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To: exDemMom

I was probably a pioneer in the “NO more shots” movement 40+ years ago.
You can become all defensive of your belief and call me whatever you choose but I learned from actual experience that shots aren’t for everyone.
My second daughter went into seizures for 5 days following her “baby shots”!!
Both our family physician and the hospital workers where she was admitted lied to us and disavowed that her condition was caused by the shots!
When I took her to the school for kindergarten round-up I met two other moms whose children had had the same horrifying experience following the child’s initial immunizations. They too were poo pooed when questioning the cause of the seizures.
I didn’t get my next daughter any shots, but when my twins were to start school, again I was lied to by school personnel who said that they HAD to have their shots to start school. ( All that was needed was a wavier signed).
Boy twin acquired all three measles from the measles shot!
Of course, the good doctor had never heard of such a thing
First of all, I’ll bet that there isn’t a record one of either of these incidents.
Later, when my last son ran into a garbage dumpster when goofing around with his pals, I did take him for a straight tetanus shot. The doctor inquired as to whether he had other inoculations. When I told him no, he told me that I was a GOOD MOTHER!!!
His nephew, he said, was permanently brain damaged from the DPT shot.
In the past, many vaccines were made with Mercury. You know the stuff that if a thermometer or fluorescent light becomes broken, you have to have a hazmet cleanup?
Then they used aluminum. That and Mercury, studies have shown, have been found to be significantly present in those suffering from,( sorry, I’m not sure now,) either dementia or Alzheimer’s. It seems that they feel the accumulation of these conductive metals in brain tissue may cause short-circuits in the brain. Heck, I’d rather have something that you can get over, like measles, wouldn’t you?
Another point I wish to make is that 60% of the vaccines are now made with aborted fetal tissue, measles included.
Can you imagine a God who says that He knew us before we were born approve of butchering these tiny persons to “ immunize “ others?
Too, as only one twin was adversely affected by the shot doesn’t is seem that we are not all identically made and what negatively hits some may be thrown off by others but do you really want to take that chance?
Lastly, Can you tell me just WHY everything we eat must be labeled as to ingredients (for which I am grateful because I have a wretched soy allergy)and all medicines come with a whole list of whats-in-it and possible side-effects which you should read before taking. BUT when it comes to shots, we are supposed to blindly believe that someone, somewhere has thoroughly checked every single one for both safety and effectiveness and there is no need for us to know what they’re going to be shooting into our tiny newborn’s bodies.
Just trust those who lie us all the time because shots are such a big business they can’t be allowed to fail.
Right?


26 posted on 02/15/2015 10:03:44 AM PST by bog trotter
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To: exDemMom

Not so fast ... We almost lost a child due to the pertussis vaccine..you can not say the risk is not there.. .


48 posted on 02/15/2015 11:23:50 AM PST by HangingTuff
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To: exDemMom
This kind of delaying is horribly irresponsible and stupid.
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There is a term for people who think that they know as much as the experts in a subject: it’s the Dunning-Kruger effect.


There's a lot of dem in you yet.

Experts have bias, that you need to take into account. Parents have responsibility for their individual children.

The experts you speak of can tolerate a .5% death rate as acceptable. A parent won't have the same opinion if that statistic is their child.

The experts treated stomach ulcers with ant-acids for decades after the non-experts found the cause was a bacteria. Nothing changed in corporate medicine for many years, having the experts in control, until they had a drug to sell, and only then began recognizing a bacteria as the true cause of ulcers after destroying normal digestion for countless people. Digestion is one of the key pillars of health.

And there are very effective anti-viral options available to all, outside of hit or miss inoculations.

The experts don't have your concerns first in their priorities, and they never will.

It takes courage to break from the sheep.

Maybe you're suffering from the stockholm syndrome, and would prefer owned to feel safe.

50 posted on 02/15/2015 11:30:45 AM PST by disclaimer
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