Posted on 02/16/2015 1:12:51 PM PST by jazusamo
Opponents of charter schools have claimed that these schools are "cherry-picking" the students they admit, and that this explains why many charter schools get better educational results with less money than public schools do.
Many controversies about how students should be admitted to educational institutions, especially those supported by the taxpayers, betray a fundamental confusion about what these institutions are there for. This applies to both schools and colleges.
Admitting students strictly on the basis of their academic qualifications, which might seem to be common sense, is rejected by many college admissions committees.
A dean of admissions at Harvard, years ago, said, "the question we ask is: how well has this person used the opportunities available to him or her?" In other words, the issue is seen as which of the competing applicants are more deserving. Since some people have had far better educational opportunities than others, that is supposed to be taken into account in deciding whom to admit.
This myopic view of admissions decisions, as a question of choosing between applicant A versus applicant B, totally ignores the reason for the existence of educational institutions in the first place. These institutions were not created in order to dispense favors to particular individuals, but to confer benefits on society at large, by supplying graduates with skills valuable to the other members of society.
When Jonas Salk applied to selective Townsend Harris High School in New York, and later to the then-selective City College of New York (CCNY), there might well have been some other student, not quite as academically qualified, who could have been admitted instead, on the basis of having overcome greater handicaps than Jonas Salk had.
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” Those who attacked the strict admissions standards at CCNY demanded “open admissions” — which was an impossible demand from the outset. If just anybody could get into CCNY, then it would no longer be CCNY in any meaningful sense, so what would those admitted accomplish by getting in? They could get into the buildings but there was no longer the same education there.
Turning what had once been known as “the poor man’s Harvard” into just another failing institution was apparently an object lesson. “Open admissions” was dropped.”
Well, DUH
Good job, Tom.
“Any hope of successfully educating poor minority children depends on separating them from the hoodlums who make education impossible in so many ghetto schools.”— from article
I’ve heard many times certain people cite the fact that these inner schools, (and others) are failing the students due to an uncaring white culture. They cannot seem to make the connection that it is the “hoodlums” in the classroom that causes a school to fail. You could transfer them to gold plated palaces with the best teachers in the world, with their hands tied in the same fashion, i.e. no discipline allowed, and the same failure would occur.
Opponents of charter schools have claimed that these schools are “cherry-picking” the students they admit, and that this explains why many charter schools get better educational results with less money than public schools do.
IF true then some students are smarter than others..
how about that...
but still not admitting that federal public schools DUMB DOWN students..
you know...................... ON PURPOSE...
Which IS the issue that should be discussed..
Who knows whether the cure-er of HIV/AIDS wasn't unnecessarily kept down in the 80's when 100's of thousands OF LEFTISTS, who concocted their own graves, could have been saved?
Yep, and that goes right back to their parents or should say lack of them in far too many of those hoodlums.
” but still not admitting that federal public schools DUMB DOWN students..
you know...................... ON PURPOSE...”
True
also..
1) many of the “teachers” can’t teach .
Obama and his minions would probably say that equality of outcomes and multiculturalism are far more important and polio would be a small price to pay.
That’s correct...Of course what could wrong when they put young teachers just out of college to teach classes in the inner cities, many are in fear for their lives.
Yes, they would.
These days education isn’t about educating anyone. These days it’s all about how we make them “feel”. Most of academia should be lined up against a wall for destroying the greatest educational system the world had ever seen.
“This myopic view of admissions decisions, as a question of choosing between applicant A versus applicant B, totally ignores the reason for the existence of educational institutions in the first place. These institutions were not created in order to dispense favors to particular individuals, but to confer benefits on society at large, by supplying graduates with skills valuable to the other members of society.”
Brilliant! And that is why quotas and such are not only unfair to truly qualified candidates, but to the rest of us as well.
Quotas in careers like firefighting and law enforcement effect the general population even more so.
I am for allowing inner city teachers to carry. I know, forget I mentioned it.
Amen to that.
The anti-choice “cherry picking” argument reflects confusion about who owns the cherries. It is the parents who own the cherries and have the right to send them where they think they can do best. The issue does not turn on which school has the better teachers or equipment.
Its been tried thanks to an idiot federal judge. Kansas City Schools
Read Robert Weissberg's "Bad Students, Not Bad Schools" to get the whole picture. You are correct, it's the bad students who make the bad schools. Every time some conservative wails about poor, minority kids forced to go to bad schools, I want to scream THEY!!! MADE THE SCHOOLS BAD!!!
Putting kids with 75-80 IQs and worse attitudes in good schools will achieve nothing. Separate the wheat from the chaff. Admit that a certain pct. of children cannot be educated (or civilized), and things will improve.
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