Just Ask Sodom
Posted on 02/18/2015 6:58:14 AM PST by wagglebee
I’m going to bow out of this conversation and these forums. I’m seeing far too much of the kind of thinking exhibited in this thread and throughout these forums. It’s just not in line with what I believe and know to be true.
You’re entitled to your opinions and your community here, but I won’t subject myself to verbal and personal attacks when I present a contrary opinion. I have a thick skin but my patience is razor thin. I should have known better.
I was 100% wrong about one thing - I don’t belong on these forums. Even though I may disagree with many of the opinions expressed here, I would prefer them to the alternative.
Adios and good luck.
Well, this should be entertaining if nothing else.
First off - don’t put words in my mouth and don’t tell me what forum I should or shouldn’t be on just because I happen to think that you’re jousting windmills.
Really? Protecting the SIX THOUSAND YEAR OLD sanctity of marriage is "jousting at windmills"?
Also - what rights are we defending? The right to marriage? Freedom of religion? You already have the right to get married.
Actually, there is no explicit right to be married, the idea that there is is what started all of this.
If a homosexual gets married in a different church or even your church, is that infringing on your rights?
YES.
You call me a libertarian. Maybe. In some ways I am.
From what I can see you are part libertarian and part liberal.
But if you think being a conservative is being a straight down the line Republican then I think YOU’RE on the wrong forum.
It's laughable to suggest that I have EVER blindly supported the GOP.
If I’m wrong, then I will absolutely leave today and never come back or post again.
Time will tell...
If I could see some sort of severe, criminal, tangible cost to our country from gay marriage, then I would say that we need to do something - but there’s no proof of that.
You couldn't possibly be more wrong.
Even if there was some sort of tangible social cost, would it be worse than the social cost heterosexual marriage already imposes on our society?
So, you're AGAINST traditional marriage and think that it imposes to many "social costs"?
How many times have you been zotted before?
HAVE YOU EVER BEEN DIVORCED?
No. I've never been pregnant either, but I have plenty of opinions on abortion.
Do you have any idea what it does to a family? How much it costs society in every sense of the word? Do you know how absolutely horrific an experience it is?
And you think "normalizing" sodomy is the solution?
It wouldn’t be so bad, but the courts have nosed their way so far into our personal lives that to get divorced is absolutely devastating in every way you can imagine. Even if you don’t believe in divorce, and the other person does, you’re screwed.
I'm really not seeing your point.
Here’s an idea there Chucky, why don’t we focus on getting the courts and the government out of our personal family lives (and stop with their little social engineering experiments through taxation loopholes for married couples and children) and people might not get divorced quite so often. THAT’S CONSERVATIVE.
I don't know who this "Chucky" is you refer to, but your "argument" is the same one the left ALWAYS uses for pushing immorality. I'm guessing you support abortion too?
Here’s what I think, slick. You don’t want small government.
Despite what you heard at the Ron Paul dope fests, "small" government IS NOT a conservative principle, limited government is and there's a huge difference.
What’s the difference between you and goofball up in NYC who bans super sized soft drinks and smoking. They’re both bad for your health, aren’t they? You drink enough of those and smoke enough cigarettes and you’ll probably kill yourself eventually and prematurely before God planned it. That’s suicide - that’s a sin. So let’s regulate it because God considers suicide a sin.
Got it, you consider the destruction of the family to be on the same level as soft drinks.
When does it stop? Where is the line between liberal and conservative? I’ll tell you where - the line starts with the liberty of the people and ends there - period. Government intervention is a sword wielded only in the most dire of circumstances. Otherwise - it’s just we the people doing our thing.
Government has been involved in the institution of marriage for over seven hundred years.
Small, unobtrusive government doesn’t care who gets married to whom.
Bullshit. And for the record, the sanctity of marriage has been a conservative principle since the days of Lincoln.
I’m not in favor of civil unions, I just don’t see how it effects me one way or the other except that those people will be paying fewer taxes because of how our tax system works - which means guys like me will probably have to pick up the slack for married (gay or otherwise) people like you? unless we get spending under control.
You idiots will never understand that the economy is a result of the breakdown of morality, not the other way around.
Why don’t you worry about that instead of making me pay higher taxes in order to support your brood and your “let’s all get married like Ozzie and Harriet” philosophy? Like those tax breaks do you? Nice aren’t they?
I don't have a clue what you're talking about, but I can assure you that I'm not benefiting from any tax breaks.
See, I don’t get those because I’m divorced and my child is 19. Instead, I have to pay a higher rate with no deductions while people all over this country can have 3,4,5 kids and get money for it.
Why aren’t you fighting that fight instead of this one?
So, you think tax cuts and deductions should be abolished?
Let’s see: Murder - check. Stealing - check. Adultery - check. Homosexual marriage - can’t find that one.
So, you think the fact that sodomy isn't explicitly mentioned in the Ten Commandments means it's okay? Read up on Sodom and Gomorrah, God made His wishes very clear.
Is it mentioned elsewhere in the scriptures - sure. I believe it’s a sin, but you’re sure as s**t cherry picking what you are fighting against and for. Where’s your righteous indignation against RAMPANT adultery in this country? Where are the laws there? Is that okay now? Is that worse or better than gay marriage? Because the way I was brought up the Ten Commandments are THE primary laws of GOD and you seem to be ignoring a whole bunch of them in favor of something that seems to rile you up.
What gives you the idea that I support adultery?
So I’ll tell you what. If you want to regulate who can and can’t get married, then you need to start incarcerating people for adultery. Because it’s a right there in your big ole dumb face 10 commandment. There needs to be a national movement against adultery. The courts need to start granting 100% rights to the cheated upon spouse. If one spouse cheats on another, the non-offending spouse gets all assets, custody, etc. automatically no exceptions. Not only that, but the spouse needs to be jailed and lose all the rights to ever marry again.
Once more, governments have been regulating marriage for seven hundred years and your attempts to minimize it do nothing other than confirm that you're a TROLL.
"Societal harm" sounds collectivist to me - can you be less vague about the nature of this supposed harm?
Would you have prostitution de-criminalized?
It seems to be working well in Nevada.
All drugs?
The only demonstrable result of drug criminalization is to enrich criminals ... although that said, if we'd abandon the rank nonsense of banning pot we might find ourselves left with a war on drugs we can actually win.
Polygamy?
If you mean polygamous "marriage," as I said about homosexual "marriage" it's another thing entirely, since marriage is a positive act by an institution (government or house of worship).
Public nudity and obscenity?
No, I didn't consent to accept the light reflecting off from those acts.
No, nor a rendering plant - which can be addressed through zoning rather than banning.
Don't forget to click here before ya go.
Why? The fun is just starting.
I’m seeing far too much of the kind of thinking exhibited in this thread and throughout these forums. It’s just not in line with what I believe and know to be true.
What you "know to be true" (e.g. that sodomy should be permitted) is a damnable lie straight from hell.
You’re entitled to your opinions and your community here, but I won’t subject myself to verbal and personal attacks when I present a contrary opinion. I have a thick skin but my patience is razor thin. I should have known better.
Well, this is a CONSERVATIVE forum and not some debating society, so it shouldn't surprise you when your libertarian beliefs are attacked.
Wrong as usual: see post #44.
Don’t let the door hit ya where the good Lord split ya, dumbass.
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Zoning IS banning. It’s just doing it on a small scale to PROTECT your culture in an area important to you.
There is no difference with a culture wide zoning against things/behaviors that the culture finds broadly undesirable.
The real question is whether our culture deserves protection the same as our sovereignty.
No, your clumsy wordplay aside, there is a substantial difference between illegal-in-certain-places and illegal-everywhere.
What is the substantial difference between illegal-in-certain-places and illegal-everywhere?
What we need are more state officials and entire states standing up to all activist judicial rulings. They know that the US Constitution doesn’t mandate the licensure of same sex marriage no more than it mandates the protection of abortion services no more than it authorizes the seizure and sale of privately owned land for tax revenue purposes. What we have is a lawless arbitrary court system. Even those who agree with same sex marriage should be opposed to what is going on in regard to the total warping of the constitution to service political expediency. Some day the winds will turn against them and they will lose these contrived rights and more.
Epic zot, Lady!
Good to see you and hope you are well! Will we see you in June? Hope so!!
Thanks for the ping.
Thank you, sweetie. Yes, we are planning on going to the Shoot.
I am actually having a good day today, which is odd because I’m
supposed to be at my post-chemo low point. But my reactions to
the chemo drugs have been “unexpected.” And the doctors are
stunned that I’m doing as well as I am for an old bat.
Just as I thought. You are no different than a liberal. Your purported reasons are just different.
Thanks for responding!
When are they going to realize that you just don’t mess with wagglebee?
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