Posted on 02/25/2015 12:04:07 PM PST by ckilmer
The market has already voted “NO”. That is why these scams are being given subsidies.
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The Hindenburg, coming to a street corner near you soon.
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Until the sun begins to emit more energy, there is no hope for global warming.
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Why, the Friends of Congress and the President, of course.
Certainly those will be the principal beneficiaries.
I briefly worked in the fuel cell industry. They sound all great and wonderful until the temperature falls before freezing. I have faith in engineers at Toyota though. What I don’t enjoy is paying $13,000 of my tax dollars to the people who buy them. I’m still driving a 20 year old beater and no one is giving my $13,000 to buy a brand new car.
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>> “Until recently, there was little economic incentive to dump the IC engine car.” <<
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There will never be a PRACTICAL incentive to do so!
All electric vehicles will forever leave you subject to the whim of tyrannical men, with no possibility of relief.
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1. For the same energy as gasoline, electricity costs 5 bucks a gallon, and it's going up fast. You need much more than a gallon of electricity (equivalent) to make a gallon (equivalent) of hydrogen.
2) Hydrogen doesn't compress to a liquid at vehicle operating temperatures, it remains as a gas, which must be compressed for storage. Even at 10,000 psi, an extremely high pressure, hydrogen occupies 7 times the volume of gasoline, NOT including the tank. My 4000 psi oxygen tank weighs about 80 pounds, and stores a couple of gallons.
3) There is simply no hydrogen supply and delivery system anywhere close to being available in the US.
Maybe when the Sun goes Super Nova.
Ed
It still takes energy to make hydrogen, either through chemical synthesis from hydrocarbons or electrolysis from water using electricity. Thus a hydrogen powered car still has a major environmental impact, which really is not environmentally important. but politically is.
Until there is cheap cheap cheap electricity from solar or wind, the least cost of horsepower to the wheels is the internal combustion engine. The cheapest way to do this is with compressed natural gas. The use of compressed natural gas will require the least amount of new infrastructure to provide stations to refill your vehicle.
The United States has cheap natural gas in huge excess. The only viable source of cheap electricity with current technology is nuclear power. Unfortunately that source is no longer viable politically due to the environmental Luddites.
I hope those bastards freeze in the dark huddled around a broken windmill surrounded by solar cells that do not work on cloudy days and have a limited lifespan.
“Who will be the beneficiaries of this vast competition?”
Why, the Friends of Congress and the President, of course.
Certainly those will be the principal beneficiaries.
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No man. When you have this kind of vast systemic competition—it means that the cost of transportation steadily subsides. The chief beneficiaries of this competition are the people who use the systems. That’s us. We have moved inside of a monopoly for over a century and paid for it. In the not distant future the costs are going to wrung out of the whole transport system. The results will be an enormous surge of wealth for everyone.
I briefly worked in the fuel cell industry. They sound all great and wonderful until the temperature falls before freezing. I have faith in engineers at Toyota though. What I don’t enjoy is paying $13,000 of my tax dollars to the people who buy them. I’m still driving a 20 year old beater and no one is giving my $13,000 to buy a brand new car.
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What I’m looking forward to is fuel cell cars competing against electric cars competing against gasoline fueled internal combustion engines competing against natural gas fueled internal combustion engines. This sort of competition will just squeeze the costs out of the whole transportation system—to the benefit of the whole world.
The only viable source of cheap electricity with current technology is nuclear power. Unfortunately that source is no longer viable politically due to the environmental Luddites.
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There is so much popular agitation—even in leftist circles— for msr & lftr reactors these days that I would not be surprised if the NRC budged.
The competition to be first in these 4th generation reactors is going to get very hot in the next year or so. I think Google is going to jump into the game. People will suddenly realize Holy Sh-t both google and Bill gates are in on this play.
The market has already voted “NO”. That is why these scams are being given subsidies.
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This is all very well and good. But both Japan and Germany have realized that they can never ever be energy independent as long as they rely on oil. Not just that. Even more than the US —they can’t afford to be shipping trillions of yen euros dollars and deutschmarks overseas to pay for oil.
These folks are serious engineers with serious money to back their efforts and a serious passion to make alternative fuel automobiles cheaper than internal combustion engine autos.
You wanna bet against these folks. I wouldn’t. Its going to happen. The world is changing. Get used to it. In this case its a very good thing.
The Hindenburg, coming to a street corner near you soon.
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In due time both electric cars and fuel cell cars will pose an existential threat to internal combustion engines. This will set off a massive systemic competition between these different kinds of fuels/drive trains —that will drive down costs. The whole world will be the chief beneficiary.
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>> “Until recently, there was little economic incentive to dump the IC engine car.” <<
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There will never be a PRACTICAL incentive to do so!
All electric vehicles will forever leave you subject to the whim of tyrannical men, with no possibility of relief.
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This is all very well and good. But both Japan and Germany have realized that they can never ever be energy independent as long as they rely on oil. Not just that. Even more than the US —they can’t afford to be shipping trillions of yen euros dollars and deutschmarks overseas to pay for oil.
These folks are serious engineers with serious money to back their efforts and a serious passion to make alternative fuel automobiles cheaper than internal combustion engine autos.
You wanna bet against these folks. I wouldn’t. Its going to happen. The world is changing. Get used to it. In this case its a very good thing because competition between these fuel systems will drive down the cost of transportation to the benefit of the driving public.
You are under the delusion that Government will not pick the winners and losers.
This is not 1910.
Energy is the MOST political and strategic commodity in the world.
Because it is the most lucrative.
He with the best lobbyists and lobbying program will win this, hands down.
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