Posted on 02/25/2015 12:04:07 PM PST by ckilmer
So where is the electricity coming from to hydrolyze water into hydrogen (fuel) and oxygen? It will come from coal burning power plants. If it comes from a natural gas fired power plant then it makes more sense to burn natural gas directly in an internal combustion engine. Nuclear power to produce hydrogen is also non polluting
If the electricity come from hydro-electric power then hydrogen makes sense and will truly be non polluting. Wind and solar are a joke and only exist due to an array of gov’t payoffs
You jest.
Uhgglee...
You are a dreamer!
There is absolutely nothing good about dependency on something that can be turned off in a moment, and cannot be replenished without electric power to the grid.
It’ll kill millions in a day.
This is beyond Nevill Shute’s “On the Beach” tenfold.
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FreeRepublic has become CaptiveSheep voluntarily!
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Well, I can’t say it’s a good-looking car. It looks like a late-model Corolla with a bizarre body kit grafted onto it.
I can’t say I quite grasp the cost advantage of a fuel cell vehicle, either. Taking natural gas, which the vehicle could run on quite economically and well as it stands, and using additional energy to convert it to hydrogen can’t be doing anything to reduce operating cost.
I’m not impressed by nothing but water coming out of the exhaust. The “green” aspect matters not at all to me.
You’re right—right down the line.
The point is the car is improving and the people behind it show in every way that they have the will and the way to continue to make improvements. That’s the main takeaway.
You are a dreamer!
There is absolutely nothing good about dependency on something that can be turned off in a moment, and cannot be replenished without electric power to the grid.
It’ll kill millions in a day.
This is beyond Nevill Shute’s “On the Beach” tenfold.
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So you’re a supporter of the internal combustion engine via gasoline or natural gas and fuel cell cars. That’s fine.
The Amish don’t care to be on the grid either. Their issue is not with electricity. Its rather with the grid. As a result there are amish bishops here and there allowing their congregations to use solar to generate electricity on their own property because the electricity doesn’t come from the grid.
Elon Musk is also very interested in solar power for his electric car batteries — not—of course because the power does not come from the grid—but rather because he’s a part owner of a big solar power company. And of course because he’s also building a big battery plant for cars and houses with solar power.
Are you starting to get the picture?
So where is the electricity coming from to hydrolyze water into hydrogen (fuel) and oxygen?
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right now natural gas is the source of hydrogen for fuel cell cars. water is still a dream.
I agree that 4th generation nuclear power plants especially via msr and lftr reactors will deliver the real energy revolution—which is electricity prices at least 1/3 the price of current cheapest coal or natural gas fired electrical generation plants.
In fact, I think that should be on the republican agenda as a counter sign to the lefts clean energy vision —which is rapidly taking shape. Solar and wind will reach grid price parity without price supports —with natural gas and coal in a decade at their current rates of price decline. They are already at grid parity in the southwest with price supports.
Republicans should promise to push the research in 4th generation lftr and msr reactors to collapse the cost of electricity. That’s the real revolution.
Energy is the MOST political and strategic commodity in the world.
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I don’t disagree with you even a little bit. I just don’t think you have noticed the power shifts around the world.
The entire world outside of OPEC want to get out from under the thumbs of opec and russia. Everyone in the world outside OPEC and Russia sees alternate fuel cell cars as ALSO a way to disconnect from a reliance on oil based cars.
So while there is lots of oil money around to protect oil interests. There is even more money available to protect the alternative fuel industry.
Think about it for a second. Germany and Japan have no hope of every becoming energy independent as long as they run on internal combustion engines. Neither country has any hope of trimming their debt overhang as long as they run on internal combustion engines.
These folk are among the best car engineers in the world.
What will they do.
They will keep pushing and improving alternative fuel cars —until their specs are better than those of internal combustion engine cars.
They have come a great distance in the last ten years. Expect them to cross the goal in terms of performance and price in the next 10 years.
American companies will be there too. At least with electric cars. Maybe not with fuel cell cars.
On the issue of electricity, the best solution is AC to the location and DC within the location, but that has not happened yet (and may not ever).
Sometimes, we need outside the box thinking.
No! You’re wrong!!! (grin)
:’) As leeches go, he has a pretty small appetite, plus, he actually produces something in the process, as opposed to all the de facto money-laundering ops run by Obama cronies.
I would have to bet against them and the U.S. federal government aka Obama. So yes I will bet against them. Their technology is high tech smoke and mirrors and would not exist without subsidies. It must be great to have Uncle Sugar help pay for your passions.
Everything in the universe requires energy. How do you figure to ever be independent of it?
Do you understand that foregoing the use of the most economical source of energy creates a relative disadvantage to the on doing the foregoing? So let’s say the entire world except for the U.S. manages to quit using the most economical source of energy and in its place uses less economical alternatives (if it requires subsidies it is less economical). The U.S. would then be left as the sole consumer of the most economical fom of energy which is getting even more economical since no one else is using it. The result would be world dominance. We can only hope the rest of the world is so stupid.
Of course the U.S. is right behind Germany and France in Stupid.
Debt overhang is because of the internal combustion engine? Got you elimaNate the internal combustion engine today in those countries their debt would skyrocket. Maybe they could elimInate their socialist communist spending habits, which included whacko energy subsidies, and live within their tax revenue.
You are dead right that neither fuel cells or electric cars are as economical as gasoline right now. Nevertheless the world will keep pushing them until their price/performance reaches parity or better with internal combustion engine cars. Even before this happens a massive competition will break out between these competitive systems which over time will collapse the price of energy and transportation for all energy/transport systems.
You have described a beautiful thing.
Debt overhang is because of the internal combustion engine? Got you elimaNate the internal combustion engine today in those countries their debt would skyrocket. Maybe they could elimInate their socialist communist spending habits, which included whacko energy subsidies, and live within their tax revenue.
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The USA has been shipping 500 billion dollars overseas every year for a couple decades to pay for foreign oil. The Germans and Japanese have no internal oil industry like the USA. So they are also shipping 100—200 billion annually overseas to pay for their oil. This money transfer is unsustainable for everyone.
How does the “USA” Ship money overseas. Please explain that statement.
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