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1 posted on 03/01/2015 8:16:52 PM PST by learner
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2 posted on 03/01/2015 8:19:05 PM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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Why not just defund DHS?

What's the point in having an agency that is responsible for securing the border and won't. The anti-terrorism responsibilities will continue to be handled by the FBI, NSA & CIA. They just won't report to a DHS bureaucrat.

3 posted on 03/01/2015 8:20:02 PM PST by wmfights
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Zero $$$ to the DHS until they commit to enforcing the legitimate law as enacted by the congress and securing the borders!!


4 posted on 03/01/2015 8:22:55 PM PST by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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No thanks. You’re giving Obama and the open borers crowd exactly what they want. He’ll gladly sign the funding bill and Congress forfeits it’s authority. The fix has been in since the CRomnibus. Everything since has been for show, not substance.


5 posted on 03/01/2015 8:26:16 PM PST by SCHROLL
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It would be easier to go to the Nuclear Option which requires only 51 votes and not 60.

After you do that, you take out the funding for the amnesty issue, and then you pass the rest of the DHS bill for another year.

DONE, OVER .. DON’T LIKE IT - WIN ANOTHER ELECTION ..!!!!

I’m SICK AND TIRED OF THESE MAMBY-PAMBY IDIOTS WHO CANNOT DO ANYTHING UNLESS “CHUCKIE” APPROVES.

TIME TO PLAY HARDBALL .. THAT IS IF THEY HAVE ANY.


6 posted on 03/01/2015 8:27:31 PM PST by CyberAnt ("The hope and changey stuff did not work, even a smidgen.")
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Why don’t they just not fold and let the small part of DHS that will shut down with no funding, just shut down? It is not like the whole department will close. I think it is good for the people to see that they will not even notice when it is shut down.


7 posted on 03/01/2015 8:29:05 PM PST by jospehm20
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There was a miniseries in the 80's called Amerika in which the USSR took over the US.

To try and distance citizens from their former affections they got rid of the states and renamed sections of the country with names like 'Heartland'.

When I first heard the name of this new agency:

Department of Homeland Security

my first thought was: The commies DID win the Cold War. We have become Amerika.

Only I don't live in 'Heartland'. I live in 'California Special District' with Harry Reid as my chief representative.

8 posted on 03/01/2015 8:32:41 PM PST by who_would_fardels_bear
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...and if the president DOES NOT sign the bill telling him to stop the Amnesty, I assume we all learn Spanish.

Thank you, Mr. Biden.


9 posted on 03/01/2015 8:36:09 PM PST by BobL (REPUBLICANS - Fight for the WHITE VOTE...and you will win.)
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Didn’t fully read your plan...it’s toothless. If the Republicans fund the Amnesty, that’s all that will matter to the Supreme Court...that simple.

The BETTER OPTION is to simply SAY NO. DHS will still operate...but Obama’s boys will have to EXPLAIN TO THE COUNTRY that DHS isn’t being paid because the President DEMANDS AMNESTY for millions of Illegals.

The Democrats know that they CANNOT MAKE THAT CASE, which is why they BUCKLED on Friday and agreed to a one-week extension, even after demanding full funding, and even rejecting a three-week extension.

The Republicans CALLED THEIR BLUFF on this AND WON, but I’m not even sure the Republicans realize that. It seems most people on this site still haven’t figured that out either.


10 posted on 03/01/2015 8:41:15 PM PST by BobL (REPUBLICANS - Fight for the WHITE VOTE...and you will win.)
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Better would be to change the focus of the fight to that of not funding DHS altogether. Funding DHS is the buying of security at the price of liberty.


12 posted on 03/01/2015 8:45:32 PM PST by arthurus (it's true!)
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I’ll put it yet ANOTHER WAY:

WHY THE HELL should we have to rely on the Supreme Court or any other courts to carry out our police when WE CONTROL CONGRESS?

Are we THAT BEATEN that we cannot even make policy, given our MAJORITIES in BOTH HOUSES - and thus we have to go crying to the courts to get our way?

If Obama doesn’t want to carry out the WILL OF CONGRESS, and the will of the country, for that matter - then LET HIM EXPLAIN why legalizing these people IS SO IMPORTANT.

It’s time that HE and his people MAKE THAT CASE - it is NOT OUR JOB to do that.


13 posted on 03/01/2015 8:45:40 PM PST by BobL (REPUBLICANS - Fight for the WHITE VOTE...and you will win.)
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Sounds like a Pyrrhic victory, also known as no victory at all. Optics are ok when you don’t have a fighting chance, but here there is a fighting chance. Settling for optics would be . . . let’s just say, a less than perfect outcome.


14 posted on 03/01/2015 8:49:19 PM PST by Omaha Note
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Damn it, defund the DHS. It is a worthless piece of crap anyway. The FBI, CIA, Military intelligence, and by relying on local enforcement of the States we are covered. Privatize the TSA with CIA oversight..


15 posted on 03/01/2015 8:52:29 PM PST by Logical me
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Your idea will do absolutley nothing except hand The Great African Dictator an astonishing victory in his obscene arrogation of power.


16 posted on 03/01/2015 8:56:39 PM PST by Regulator
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Shut it down, the DHS is there only to protect the government.


18 posted on 03/01/2015 9:29:59 PM PST by Paladin2
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They don’t have themselves in a hole.

If the president doesn’t sign the budget, nothing shuts down. Nothing.

If Homeland Security won’t secure the border, and won’t deport the border jumpers, then they have no purpose.

But even at that, nothing shuts down. They don’t get paid, and you just let everyone know that they aren’t getting paid because the president wants to give social security numbers to illegal aliens, and he wants citizens to pay for it.

That’ll go over like a lead balloon. You’ll have Democrats running away from the president like scalded cats.

Sort of like the Netanyahu debacle, where they scream that Democrats are going to boycott, and then you find out its half a dozen. Out of five hundred, half a dozen. A well deserved humiliation for the president. And all you have to do to deliver it is to hold firm.


19 posted on 03/01/2015 9:32:04 PM PST by marron
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Just let the Democrats shut down DHS, and then pass a resolution urging states to activate their own state militias (not national guard) to do what DHS used to do. That ought to have the Rats p-ing in their pants.


21 posted on 03/01/2015 9:43:21 PM PST by kaehurowing
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Won’t work. Precedent from Clinton’s Kosovo war: Court found that Congress approved war by funding it even though Congress voted down a resolution authorizing.


22 posted on 03/01/2015 9:54:25 PM PST by kristinn (Welcome to the Soviet States of Obama)
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How about Congress only gives 3 day extensions to fund it. Then the only debate each and everyday will be this issue... Including weekends. Eventually the rats will get tired. But unfortunately it will be the Republicans who quit first.


23 posted on 03/01/2015 11:42:53 PM PST by for-q-clinton (If at first you don't succeed keep on sucking until you do succeed)
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Sense of the congress.. means nothing anyway.. much like congress period.


25 posted on 03/02/2015 3:26:51 AM PST by maddog55
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