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Media frenzy over Oklahoma SAE fraternity's Racist Video
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Posted on 03/10/2015 12:30:28 PM PDT by Cubs Fan

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To: Cubs Fan

Those fraternities exist because traditionally, there was no way in hell anyone who wasn’t white was getting into a fraternity. When I went into the greek system in Oklahoma in the 1980s, there were no Asians, no Hispanics, no blacks allowed in any of the longstanding fraternities. I wasn’t prepared for the level of racism I saw, but it was brutal. It totally ruined what I had been brought up to believe was going to be a great time of life.


41 posted on 03/10/2015 5:50:18 PM PDT by arbitrary.squid
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To: cuban leaf

“But here is the thing: It started with Rodney king”

This goes way way back beyond Rodney King. Tulsa Race Riots of 1920s that were never mentioned in any of my being brought up in Oklahoma, for example, or the fact that until the civil rights era, there were no black students admitted to certain public universities, but instead were sent to universities like Langston.

There is powerful racism in Oklahoma, and it’s not all that hidden.


42 posted on 03/10/2015 5:54:02 PM PDT by arbitrary.squid
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To: arbitrary.squid
Several commentators on here have noted how the accusation of "racist" is, as one put it, equivalent to calling someone a pedophile. Today on Fox's The Five. a normally restrained and rational discussion show, every one of the participants tried to outdo the others in condemning the fraternity and its song. I was much reminded of Solzhenitsyn's description of how defense attorneys during Stalin's reign of terror would condemn their clients with greater vigor than even the Soviet prosecutors.

Now I don't mean to suggest Bolling, Guilfoyle, et. al., were sympathetic to the frat boys, nor were they obligated to defend them; but I do mean to say the condemnation voiced was excessive and also somewhat misguided. Yes, the racist song was offensive and remarkably stupid; but what is worse: that or the activities of campus Leftists who shout down, threaten, and try to intimidate Conservative speakers? Yet where is the national outrage, the self-righteous declarations of censure, the punishments meted out by university authorities (many of whom are sympathetic to the demonstrators)?

This whole affair is a dog and pony show designed to provide the modern day pharisees with an opportunity to beat their chest and show how pure and good they are.

43 posted on 03/10/2015 6:17:24 PM PDT by Robwin
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To: Gay State Conservative
Are lousy racist chants worse than excluding people specifically and exclusively because of their skin color, as black fraternities/sororities do?
44 posted on 03/10/2015 6:21:25 PM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: dead
Are lousy racist chants worse than excluding people specifically and exclusively because of their skin color, as black fraternities/sororities do?

To thinking people,not really.But we're talking about the movers and shakers of the Rat Party and the NY Slimes,aren't we!

45 posted on 03/10/2015 7:01:40 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Obama;A Low Grade Intellect With Even Lower Morals)
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To: Cubs Fan

I’m against racism. I would not associate with racists.

But I am even more against mind control. I think schools are foisting mind control on students and quashing free speech. Would they expel black students for doing the same thing? I doubt it. I’m waiting to see what happens when a similar video turns up with black students.

I think there are much better ways of handling obnoxious behavior.


46 posted on 03/10/2015 7:53:06 PM PDT by generally (Don't be stupid. We have politicians for that.)
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To: Robwin

Great analysis. Thanks.


47 posted on 03/10/2015 8:05:11 PM PDT by generally (Don't be stupid. We have politicians for that.)
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To: arbitrary.squid

Well, technically I say that the US sowed the seeds of its destruction when it tolerated slavery.

But I see the meme that is going to do us in - the last phase if you will - beginning with Rodney King.


48 posted on 03/10/2015 8:45:42 PM PDT by cuban leaf (The US will not survive the obama presidency. The world may not either.)
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To: arbitrary.squid
I wasn’t prepared for the level of racism I saw, but it was brutal. It totally ruined what I had been brought up to believe was going to be a great time of life.

And I wasn't prepared for the level of racism I saw when I watched several white friends of mine in high school in the 80s attacked, beaten and robbed by other black students. Mind you these were not words to songs, but truly violent actions.

Black people are plenty racist, in general, far more so than whites. And their racism often manifests itself in violence, not just words or silly songs. but the media and other pc idiots will never acknowledge that truth.

Such are the orwellian times we live in.

49 posted on 03/10/2015 9:03:58 PM PDT by Cubs Fan (anarchotyranny-“we refuse to control real criminals (anarchy) so we control the innocent (tyranny)")
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To: arbitrary.squid
This goes way way back beyond Rodney King. Tulsa Race Riots of 1920s that were never mentioned in any of my being brought up in Oklahoma, for example, or the fact that until the civil rights era, there were no black students admitted to certain public universities, but instead were sent to universities like Langston. There is powerful racism in Oklahoma, and it’s not all that hidden.

tell you what, if you're white and you want to see some really serious racism in action, today, not 100 years ago. Come to the projects in Chicago and go around asking random black people for directions. Good luck.

50 posted on 03/10/2015 9:12:52 PM PDT by Cubs Fan (anarchotyranny-“we refuse to control real criminals (anarchy) so we control the innocent (tyranny)")
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To: cuban leaf
These guys are victims.

Because it's OU, they might be victims of meth, inbreeding, and Bob Stoops's ego, but that's about it.
51 posted on 03/10/2015 9:40:32 PM PDT by af_vet_rr
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I am white and I have traveled all through the south and through Kansas City, Chicago, Philadelphia, New York City, and Boston. I have seen racists of all races. I judge people as individuals, and I have lived close to 50 years now, working in restaurant kitchens, searching out BBQ and Latin and Asian foods in predominately black and Asian and Hispanic neighborhoods since my father took me into BBQ restaurants in the ghetto when I was a kid, to buying supplies when working as a chef from Asian grocery stores, to fixing computers for people. I’ve worked alongside all races from low-income menial work to high paid events, and I’ve done this in racially-charged areas. I have been accused of being racist because I am white, and I have met people I wanted nothing to do with. I was adopted into a family that was white and white mixed with Choctaw. My grandfather was born in Indian Territory as a Choctaw and got an Indian allotment which granted him land in Southeast Oklahoma. He married a white woman and was the postmaster and ran his farm and was well respected, dying in the 1970s. My adoptive father is a white man who grew up in Oklahoma in the 30s-70s, and he is one racist son of a bitch. I grew up hearing the N-word used as common everyday talk. I grew up in Tulsa, which is still very half-white and half-black divided, but I went to school with kids of other races and we learned together and we played on football teams together, and we didn’t have a problem with each other due to race. I saw racism all my life directed from white people at all other races in private, at the same time that we visited their restaurants and went to church with some of them and were polite in society. But I also had KKK pamphlets dropped on my cars because there was a black family that lived across the street from us in 1993, and I had cars broken into by black teenagers when I lived in cheap housing at 23rd and Robinson in Oklahoma city because it was all I could afford.

I regularly gave cooks and dishwashers rides home at night into the projects, and I’ve bought weed from people of all races in the projects as well. I had my high school letter jacket stollen out of my locker in high school and it was found in a black player’s locker who was younger than me, and I couldn’t tell if he was scared he’d been caught stealing or if it was honest fear in his eyes and he’d been set up like he claimed, so I backed down and didn’t fight him like I wanted to, because I didn’t know if it was theft or racism, because I had seen both.

I have never been in a racial fight in any of my time, but I’ve fought more than a few white people I thought were my friends when they bullied or they tried to steal from me. I was called fat until I showed them that fat kids are pretty strong and they will beat your ass if you try and steal their Halloween candy. I have been a bouncer, a bartender, a line cook, an executive chef, and I have never tolerated or had problems with racial or other bullying in any of my staff. I have never backed down from a fight and I will hurt someone who fucks with the ones I love. This is how I saw the world and was told by my grandfather to act. This is what I have taught my children. I do not tolerate racism and I treat people as individuals.


52 posted on 03/10/2015 10:39:30 PM PDT by arbitrary.squid
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To: cuban leaf

2 things every parent should fear when their child enters college. 1 they join a fraternity or sorority. 2 they become a politicians intern. Too many downsides not worth the rewards


53 posted on 03/11/2015 7:06:58 AM PDT by outpostinmass2
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To: gop4lyf

You only have to ask yourself this, Would the same attention be paid if the races were reversed? Yes, it was pretty ignorant to be chanting what they did, especially on video, but is it worth ruining their lives? What school will take then now? They will be lucky to get enrolled in an online correspondence course. As for job prospects, they better hope Daddy is hiring. Being labeled a racist is on par only with being labeled a pedophile in our society. What’s worse, the so called oppressed will point to this as exhibit A as proof that deep rooted racism is alive and well in the USA and is the only thing that is keeping minorities down.


These are rich kids from highly connected families. College for them is party time and socializing. They will be taken care of by their families.


54 posted on 03/11/2015 7:09:29 AM PDT by outpostinmass2
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To: arbitrary.squid

I went to a high school in ilinois that was mixed and blacks there constantly attacked whites, they would hang out by doorways daring people to come through , they would cut in the lunch line and dare anyone to say anything about, they would rob people after school in the hallways. The few whites that did fight back usually got attacked by other blacks who joined in, or got jumped after school.

So I know firsthand that blacks can be unbelievably violent racists. Songs are stupid, but they are nothing in comparison.


55 posted on 03/11/2015 10:05:36 AM PDT by Cubs Fan (anarchotyranny-“we refuse to control real criminals (anarchy) so we control the innocent (tyranny)")
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To: Cubs Fan

Yes, I have met racists from every race I have ever encountered. I have the choice in how I react to them and how I live my life, but I don’t have a whole lot of power to change other people. You can choose to be part of the racism problem or you can choose to be against it.


56 posted on 03/11/2015 10:37:11 AM PDT by arbitrary.squid
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To: Cubs Fan

Some frat boys act like complete fools which mobilizes the arbiters of racial and ethnic sensitivity to issue death threats.


57 posted on 03/11/2015 10:48:18 AM PDT by windsorknot
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To: arbitrary.squid
Those fraternities exist because traditionally, there was no way in hell anyone who wasn’t white was getting into a fraternity. When I went into the greek system in Oklahoma in the 1980s, there were no Asians, no Hispanics, no blacks allowed in any of the longstanding fraternities. I wasn’t prepared for the level of racism I saw, but it was brutal. It totally ruined what I had been brought up to believe was going to be a great time of life.

Exaggerate much?. I went to OU in the 80s, and my fraternity (founded in 1850) included Asian, Native American, Iranian, and Lebanese members. I did have a Hispanic pledge brother who didn't stick with it, but he was a bit of an oddball.

58 posted on 03/11/2015 12:21:40 PM PDT by WhatWouldReaganDo
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To: WhatWouldReaganDo

There were fraternities that weren’t racist, but there were ones that were. I went through the greek system at OU and OSU in the 80s and saw good and bad.


59 posted on 03/11/2015 12:27:06 PM PDT by arbitrary.squid
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To: arbitrary.squid
Yes, I have met racists from every race I have ever encountered. I have the choice in how I react to them and how I live my life, but I don’t have a whole lot of power to change other people. You can choose to be part of the racism problem or you can choose to be against it.

You should get your priorities straight. That frat song was stupid but it didn't hurt anyone, meanwhile black racists are shooting at cops in Ferguson, which is worse? the answer is obvious.

60 posted on 03/12/2015 2:55:42 PM PDT by Cubs Fan (anarchotyranny-“we refuse to control real criminals (anarchy) so we control the innocent (tyranny)")
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