Posted on 03/12/2015 6:01:13 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum
I always ask my leftie anti-2nd Amendment gun hating “friends”... How many otherwise law-abiding, productive, tax paying Americans are you willing to have KILLED, IMPRISONED, THREATENED WITH VIOLENCE (likely with Gestapo tactics using fully-auto government guns)... to disarm the public as to “protect” us from the “health crisis” of “gun violence”? Blood may run in the streets, casualties on both sides mount... but we’ll then be “safe” won’t we?
His argument is moot the moment he breaks out any statistics. Given the amount of violence in America, which by the way is decreasing, the statistics should be viewed as a success. I assume part of those statistics include self defense. I am completely fine with those statistics increasing until there is no more violence, although I would never wish anyone to have to use a weapon in self defense.
“The American College of Physicians, combined with the American Bar Association and eight other professional organizations”.....
It would really be interesting to know exactly how many of those hypocritical, over paid bastards “carry” or have someone else protecting them.
Everyone who talks or writes about the morally specious category “gun violence” should be reminded in some sharp way that those who are murdered with clubs or knives are just as dead as those who are gunned down, their friends and relatives just as bereaved, and the soul of the murderer just as stained. Perhaps IS beheading videos might be put to some good use in this regard. (I am absolutely certain that the relatives of the 21 Coptic New Martys of Libya take solace only from the fact that their sons and brothers dies as marytrs for Christ, and none from the fact that they were not “victims of gun violence”.)
The only comparable country to the United States — multi-ethnic with a long uncontrollable border — the Russian Federation has a murder rate about 8 times that of the U.S. with a firearms ownership rate about 10% of that in the U.S. This fact demonstrates the vacuity of “gun violence” as a category both in moral and policy considerations and makes the notion of “controlling gun violence” uninteresting both morally and as a matter of public health.
The statistical sleight-of-hand gun-haters like to use is that places with weak gun laws and high gun ownership rates have more “gun deaths.”
What they won’t tell you is that those places have the lowest per capita murder rates.
More guns, less murder.
Bill Whittle’s YouTube video “Number One With a Bullet” illustrates this very succinctly.
Here is a link to it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pELwCqz2JfE
Here are links to the three data sources that he references.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Number_of_guns_per_capita_by_country
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate#By_country
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities_by_murder_rate
Fact is, states and countries with strong gun laws and low gun ownership rates lead the nation and world in per capita murder rate.
They also lead the world in violent crime rate.
Gun-controlled Britain has a low homicide rate, but it has the highest violent crime rate in the EU, a violent crime rate that is higher than even South African, and much higher than the United States.
The only first-world nation with a higher violent crime rate than Britain is Australia, a nation that also banned and confiscated firearms, stripping its people of their ability to defend themselves from violent criminals.
So if you like high violent crime and murder rates, by all means advocate taking guns away from law-abiding citizens.
Bull splatter! Stick to medicine, Doc, and leave public policy to The People.
Dear sawbones, “From my cold dead hands.”
4 outright lies and 2 half-truths with Socialist undertones.
About par for the course...
Look at number 6 - Follow the money!
OK, doc ... so guns kill 32000 people per year.
Doctors kill nearly a million people per year.
Maybe we should regulate doctors more tightly.
Enforcing existing laws would help a lot.
Illegal alien gang members have a lot to do with guns stats as well.
I want to know what gun violence is suppose to mean? Is it like knife violence, baseball bat violence, car violence, alcohol violence, drug violence and government violence? Should I worry about one of my guns attacking me one day?
According to 2011 FBI statistics, of 12,664 homicides, 8583 were committed with guns. According to the CDC, 13,834 people with an AIDS diagnosis died in 2011. Statistically, guns are much Much MUCH safer than gay sex, which the US gov't encourages.
2) Repeal all physician “gag laws.” There are states where it is a crime for a physician to ask his patient if he owns a gun. There are no rationally justifiable reasons for these laws, and if not repealed, every physician has an ethical obligation that exceeds the right of the state to enforce such laws
What would be a “rationally justifiable reason” for a Physician to ask?
It seems like they do recognize that suicide is a large part, if not the largest contributor to the 32,000 gun deaths in this country. They just won’t say it. Because if people knew this fact, then they might decide that saving people from themselves is not worth sacrificing “my” liberty. Plus, if they pull the 32,000 number out and lead people to believe that this is gun murders it is easier for people to accept their premise.
My dad is an M.D. We had this conversation less than a mo. ago.
He thought it absurd that, in Alabama, a Doctor can’t ask if you have guns in the house.
I asked “Why would you ask?” He looked at me like I was nuts and said “to prevent children from getting killed or injured, of course!” (he’s a Pediatrician, semi-retired he has been practicing over 50 years).
I asked him how many of his patients have been “killed or injured over the years” Answer “One”. But if we can save one life......
I explained that many gun owners think that Doctors asking about guns in the home is a back door way of the Government banning guns. He seemed to think that was an extreme view. But I hope I got him thinking.....
I think I’ll pull up this thread and discuss it with him tonight. Gently.
the murder rate varies by race, and most gun deaths are gang/drug related.
But although this information is on the CDC website, it is ignored by the press.
Doctors kill 400,000 people annually...over 10 times the total annual firearms deaths.
Yes.
A firearm left in possession of its ammunition, absent a human actor, is still capable of going off on its own and slaughtering millions of people, mostly Minorities and children.
/liberal douche-bag
Japan has total gun control and the third-highest suicide rate in the world.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/world/suiciderate.html
Just a couple of points on this diaper load of crap.
1) Universal background checks.
Strategical note to gun-banning self: let's put up in blazing first place the cause du jour. It's the only one we've had traction with lately, with Bloomie's millions flumoxing those idiots in Washington state to pass I-594.
5) Establish more reasonable laws concerning ownership of military-style assault weapons and large-capacity magazines. The only person who needs an assault-type weapon to hunt is the shooter who cannot hit the side of the barn with a modern lever-action hunting rifle. The argument of the insecure and paranoid fringe that they need such a rifle to protect themselves from a dictatorial government is nonsense.
Aha! Buried in fifth place is our real intention. Include some blather belittling sport rifle owners, without showing too much of our ignorance...wait, too late!
"Modern lever-action hunting rifle"? Now I love my Winchester AE, but how modern can a style of rifle be with model designations such as "1866", "1892", "1894", and the real new kid on the block, "1895"?
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