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ATF raises new concerns about AR-15 ammo (ATF Director: All 5.56 Ammo Pose Threat)
Washington Examiner ^ | March 12, 2015 | 12:44 pm | Paul Bedard

Posted on 03/12/2015 11:39:08 AM PDT by Red Steel

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To: circlecity

No, they are not.

It is okay to use .223 in most 5.56mm weapons, but using 5.56 in a .223 can seriously damage the weapon.

The 5.56 is a higher velocity, higher pressure round. It also has a longer leade and shallower rifling angle.

Here is a good article on the differences:

http://www.rifleshootermag.com/rifles/ar-15/5-56-and-223-are-they-different/


81 posted on 03/12/2015 1:34:32 PM PDT by WayneS (Barack Obama makes Neville Chamberlin look like George Patton.)
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To: Red Steel

A pellet coming out of an air rifle or bb gun is a threat to officer safety as it can put out an eye.

/sarc


82 posted on 03/12/2015 1:37:04 PM PDT by taxcontrol
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To: Red Steel
Don't hatchets and machetes also threaten officer safety?

Where does this little tyranny game end?

83 posted on 03/12/2015 1:44:17 PM PDT by Gritty (Between Iran and ISIS, the enemy of my enemy is ... my enemy! - Benjamin Netanyahu)
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To: Charles Martel
Rifle cartridges fired from single shot pistols are not “armor piercing” by an ATF ruling. ATF considers single shot pistols to be for “sporting purposes.” Because the M855 projectile contains a steel perpetrator it would have been classified as “armor piercing” like the long gone cheap steel jacketed Chinese 7.62x39 if it hadn't been expressly exempted by law.
84 posted on 03/12/2015 1:44:54 PM PDT by bruoz
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To: JGT

AR pistols usually have a 7.5 to 8 inch barrel and (of course) no stock. There is a piston pistol that doesn’t have that buffer tube sticking out at the back, but even that one is not really that concealable.


85 posted on 03/12/2015 1:45:37 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: bruoz

BTW it was the fact that someone began making and selling an “AK” pistol that got that cheap AK ammo banned.


86 posted on 03/12/2015 1:50:46 PM PDT by bruoz
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To: bruoz

I disagree. It is the unrelenting Progressive drive to eliminate the 2nd Amendment that got this cheap ammo banned.


87 posted on 03/12/2015 2:00:59 PM PDT by TigersEye (ISIS is the tip of the spear. The spear is Islam.)
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To: Red Steel

Had an exchange with the author at Captain’s Journal:

ME:
I think this is Fear Porn.

Many have noted that the ATF got just as much shit from Democrats as from Republicans. Neither side wants this, YET.

Once the country is fully flooded with illegals, then all bets are off. But not quite yet.

HIM
Herschel Smith • 5 minutes ago
New gun control isn’t likely to pass the House or Senate (or at least, not both of them) right now. But here is the key.

“Jones asked lawmakers to help in a review of a 1986 bill ... “

That’s slick. A lawyer in DoJ helped him to queue that one up. Tie it all to the GCA or the NFA, not new legislation. And get the Congress to go along with it in a “report,” “study,” “commission,” or “task force.”

ME
Kinda stretchy. But hey, this admin is notorious for stretching past their grasp.

Still, they haven’t even set out a proposed rule yet. So before you cause a run on .223 and 5.56, let’s be cautious on panicking everyone.

Still, and if they do: Comes a time when we simply stop listening to their pronouncements, marking them as insane. Simply continue manufacturing the ammo, and if they arrive in MRAPS, fight them with deadly force as you would any other invader.


88 posted on 03/12/2015 2:08:19 PM PDT by Lazamataz (The FCC takeover of the internet will quickly become a means to censorship of dissent.)
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To: smokingfrog

Wow, had no idea they were made in barrels that short.


89 posted on 03/12/2015 2:09:57 PM PDT by JGT
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To: circlecity

That’s the plan.


90 posted on 03/12/2015 2:16:31 PM PDT by Eagles6 (Valley Forge Redux. If not now, when? If not here, where? If not us then who?)
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To: suijuris
Wrong argument.

Someone gets it.

91 posted on 03/12/2015 2:21:21 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Paladin2

Care to guess what his qualifications are?


92 posted on 03/12/2015 2:22:08 PM PDT by Eagles6 (Valley Forge Redux. If not now, when? If not here, where? If not us then who?)
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To: Red Steel

The total abolition of guns in America;

That has been the plan since 1962 when Thomas J Dodd and emanuel Cellar said..”We don’t want to take your guns away, we ONLY want to register handguns! LONG GUNS will not be affected!”

How long did that last.

As I have posted many times, military style rifles are just a smokescreen. Their ultimate goal is the total abolition of the RIGHT to own firearms of any type.

It has always been about handguns. Assault rifles are just a decoy to try and get their anti-gun foot in the door.

Once they get a ban on AWs then they will use the same reasons to go after handguns.

John Kennedy killed with a 5 shot bolt action rifle.

Medgar Evers, shot with a 5 shot 1917 bolt action Enfield rifle.

Martin Luther King, shot with a 4 shot Remington 760 pump action Gamemaster rifle.

Bobby Kennedy with a .22 Iver Johnson Cadet revolver.

George Wallace wounded with a 5 shot Charter Arms .38spl revolver.

Howard Johnson shooter killed nine, wounded thirteen with a 4 shot RUGER .44 mag Deerslayer rifle.

Gerald Ford attacked with a 7 shot 1911 semi auto.

Edmond OK post office with two National Guard 7 shot 1911 pistols.

Ronald Reagan and Jim Brady with an RG-14 .22 revolver.

What do they all have in common? NONE over 7 rounds, yet after each one came a cry of panic to ban all of them.

And if you still have doubts consider this by Nelson P Shields, founder of Handgun control Inc.

Nelson T. ‘Pete’ Shields
Founder of Handgun Control, Inc.

“I’m convinced that we have to have federal legislation to build on. We’re going to have to take one step at a time, and the first step is necessarily — given the political realities — going to be very modest.

Of course, it’s true that politicians will then go home and say, ‘This is a great law. The problem is solved.’ And it’s also true that such statements will tend to defuse the gun-control issue for a time.

So then we’ll have to strengthen that law, and then again to strengthen that law, and maybe again and again.

Right now, though, we’d be satisfied not with half a loaf but with a slice. Our ultimate goal — total control of handguns in the United States — is going to take time.

My estimate is from seven to ten years. The problem is to slow down the increasing number of handguns sold in this country. The second problem is to get them all registered.

And the final problem is to make the possession of all handguns and all handgun ammunition — except for the military, policemen, licensed security guards, licensed sporting clubs, and licensed gun collectors — totally illegal.”

-Pete Shields, Chairman and founder, Handgun Control Inc., “A Reporter At Large: Handguns,” The New Yorker, July 26, 1976, 57-58

For those who may still doubt, Up until the 1980s HCI said they “Only wanted to control handguns. Long guns would not be affected.” Then they decided to go after semi-auto military style rifles along with handguns.


93 posted on 03/12/2015 2:24:00 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: circlecity

“Virtually all rifle ammo above .22 cal can penetrate type 2 body armor. Is the ATF going to basically outlaw hunting with anything other than .22s and shotguns by banning rifle ammo?”

I’m sure that’s their long term plan, but we shouldn’t give them any ideas.


94 posted on 03/12/2015 2:25:20 PM PDT by MNGal
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To: CrazyIvan

***My .308 was designed to also fire the less lethal 7.62x51.***

The M-1A warranty will be voided if you shoot 308 Winchester hunting ammo in it. The 308 Win is more powerful.


95 posted on 03/12/2015 2:26:35 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: Red Steel
2 police officers shot in Ferguson, MO. Originally they said pistol. Now they're saying shots were from 100+ yds and possibly from a rifle.

Would be very convenient for the regime if the officers were shot with M855 or SS109 rounds from an AR15.

Just sayin'.

96 posted on 03/12/2015 2:28:31 PM PDT by Eagles6 (Valley Forge Redux. If not now, when? If not here, where? If not us then who?)
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To: envisio

I bought a rifle last year. It is in 5.56MM. The box says it is .223. The serial number on the box and the firearm are the same.


97 posted on 03/12/2015 2:30:44 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: Eagles6
He has a long history of supporting 'rat causes like gun control?

Either that or he's a former moonshiner.

98 posted on 03/12/2015 2:38:22 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Red Steel
"Any 5.56 round" is "a challenge for officer safety," he said.

Good. They are supposed to be.

99 posted on 03/12/2015 2:39:48 PM PDT by zeugma ( The Clintons Could Find a Loophole in a Stop Sign)
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To: bruoz
Rifle cartridges fired from single shot pistols are not “armor piercing” by an ATF ruling. ATF considers single shot pistols to be for “sporting purposes.”

I guess that explains why ATF was quick to pounce on the FN 5.7x28 FMJ ammo. I'm not surprised; what you describe is a fine example of fedgov pretzel logic.

100 posted on 03/12/2015 2:55:43 PM PDT by Charles Martel (Endeavor to persevere...)
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