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Presbyterian Church (USA) votes to formally recognize gay marriage and allow same-sex weddings
New York Daily News ^ | 03/18/2015 | Tobias Salinger

Posted on 03/18/2015 7:07:50 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

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To: SeekAndFind

Worse than the Church of Laodicea, the Church of Apostasy...


41 posted on 03/18/2015 8:03:10 AM PDT by dps.inspect (rage against the Obama machine...)
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To: NorthMountain

I’m a rocket scientist. I know how to multiply. Thanks.


42 posted on 03/18/2015 8:16:03 AM PDT by Rockitz (This is NOT rocket science - Follow the money and you'll find the truth.)
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To: SeekAndFind

The pink Bible crowd.


43 posted on 03/18/2015 8:19:45 AM PDT by CMB_polarization
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To: SeekAndFind

sad to see another church bend to societal pressure...please Lord, come quickly!


44 posted on 03/18/2015 8:23:02 AM PDT by sassy steel magnolia
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To: Gamecock
The "who love and support each other for the rest of their lives" bit is a little deceptive. You can have mutual love and support in a long-term friendship. What characterizes the meaning of a sexual union, specifically, and the relationship predicated upon that sexual union, is the begetting and bearing and raising of children.

They have cut the expectation of natural fertility clear out of the definition of marriage.

Now it's formally just for the satisfaction of adults.

45 posted on 03/18/2015 8:34:29 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Faith with love is the faith of Christians. Without love, it is the faith of demons. - Bede the Ven)
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To: NorthMountain; kosciusko51

RE: I predict the formation, soon, of another branch of Presbyterianism ...

We already have the Presbyterian Church in America. That is the denomination that tries to obey the Bible.


46 posted on 03/18/2015 8:40:28 AM PDT by SeekAndFind (If at first you don't succeed, put it out for beta test.)
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To: Rockitz
< shrug >

Bragging about a small group being "faster growing" is still not terribly meaningful.

47 posted on 03/18/2015 8:40:30 AM PDT by NorthMountain ("The time has come", the Walrus said, "to talk of many things")
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To: SeekAndFind
That is the denomination that tries to obey the Bible.

"The" denomination?

As in, exclusive of all others, the only one?

48 posted on 03/18/2015 8:41:40 AM PDT by NorthMountain ("The time has come", the Walrus said, "to talk of many things")
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RE: “The” denomination?

OK, since you’re a stickler, let me rephrase that:

That is one large Presbyterian denomination that tries to obey the Bible.


49 posted on 03/18/2015 8:43:26 AM PDT by SeekAndFind (If at first you don't succeed, put it out for beta test.)
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To: SeekAndFind

The tiny tail continues to wag the massive dog.


50 posted on 03/18/2015 8:44:35 AM PDT by lakecumberlandvet (APPEASEMENT NEVER WORKS.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Thank you.


51 posted on 03/18/2015 8:44:36 AM PDT by NorthMountain ("The time has come", the Walrus said, "to talk of many things")
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Yup.


52 posted on 03/18/2015 8:46:33 AM PDT by Gamecock (Joel Osteen is a minister of the Gospel like Colonel Sanders is an Infantry officer.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Traditional Christianity is falling apart before our very eyes. “Come out of her” has been the cry since Rome and her daughter protestant churches usurped Christianity from Jerusalem. And now the final fruits of this falling away are becoming evident....


53 posted on 03/18/2015 8:51:37 AM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: NorthMountain; kosciusko51
I predict the formation, soon, of another branch of Presbyterianism ...

The OPC and PCA came out of previous bouts of apostasy within the PCUSA, or one of their forerunners.

The EPC has absorbed a lot of former PCUSA churches, but they a just a bit squishy doctrine wise. I wonder what will happen if too many former PCUSA churches join them.

There is already a denomination of former PCUSA churches, can't remember the name, outh there. Problem here is many of the churches that are leaving the PCUSA right now are doing so because of the homosexual issue. The homosexuality issue is not the problem, but the natural outflowing of the theological liberalism. If these churches to cut that entire root they are on the same path again in 20, 30 or 50 years.

54 posted on 03/18/2015 8:52:21 AM PDT by Gamecock (Joel Osteen is a minister of the Gospel like Colonel Sanders is an Infantry officer.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
The "who love and support each other for the rest of their lives" bit is a little deceptive. You can have mutual love and support in a long-term friendship.

This point deserves further exploration. Sodomitic relationships, and widespread acceptance of them, are absolutely poisonous to friendship. Jonathan and David, to provide an example from Scripture, were great friends. Now come the sodomites, who want to claim that Jonathan and David were "butt buddies". That's preposterous, blasphemous nonsense. Whether from Scripture, history, literature, or mundane present day life, the sodomites point to examples of great friends and snigger. "Obviously, they're engaged in perversion behind closed doors ..." Second only to family, friendship is a fundamental building block of civilization. Sodomites seek to destroy both.

55 posted on 03/18/2015 8:53:47 AM PDT by NorthMountain ("The time has come", the Walrus said, "to talk of many things")
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To: NorthMountain

I understand your concern and I agree. I should have added the adjective “chaste.” Obviously friendships predicated on sodomy are false, just marriages predicated on sodomy are false.


56 posted on 03/18/2015 8:56:54 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Faith with love is the faith of Christians. Without love, it is the faith of demons. - Bede the Ven)
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To: SeekAndFind

Every book in the New Testament has warnings about false doctrine and teaching. From Matthew to Revelation. It is either specific or generic. When God repeats something, it is very important. God was using his apostles and Christ himself to warn repeatedly. What happened with the PC is prophetic. It is not sudden fall but rather gradual and incremental compromises with false doctrine over the years. The “church” is more concerned with pleasing men and those with itchy ears than following after God’s will. The is no fear of God and His word. But there is the fear of man.

Look how Christ treated the Pharisee’s. Christ did not hold anything back on them. He treated them as a judge would, a rightous judge would. I really pitty those in authority positions in church demoninations around the world who have compromised and edited the gospel and doctrine.....and redefined what sin is.


57 posted on 03/18/2015 8:58:25 AM PDT by TMA62 (Al Sharpton - The North Korea of race relations)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

I agree. But that’s not really my point.

A natural, sexual relationship is widely accepted in our culture.

Thus it is assumed that if Tommy and Suzy are spending a LOT of time together, they’re “dating”. They’re “courting”. They’re “an item”. We take it for granted that their relationship has a sexual component, even if they’re not acting on it, and that marriage is a possible (even probable) next step for them.

OTOH, if Tommy and Jimmy are spending a LOT of time together, we assume that they’re really good friends. In a healthy, sane society, that is. We DON’T assume that they are, or want to, commit unspeakable acts behind closed doors.

Widespread acceptance of homosexual sodomite relationships would destroy that dynamic. Sodomites seek to recast the entire society in their perverted mold. They presume that Tommy and Jimmy AREN’T really good friends, but rather that they’re sodomites. They seek to destroy the POSSIBILITY of a proper friendship between two men or two women.


58 posted on 03/18/2015 9:12:16 AM PDT by NorthMountain ("The time has come", the Walrus said, "to talk of many things")
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To: NorthMountain
That's one of the awful things about the cultural absorption of perversity. It makes it hard for real, morally sound relationships --- friendships --- to flourish. Everything is assumed to be sexual. Everything is assumed to be driven by the itch.

And this increases the awkwardness and distance between people who don't want to be pegged as sexualized couples.

59 posted on 03/18/2015 9:22:13 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Faith with love is the faith of Christians. Without love, it is the faith of demons. - Bede the Ven)
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To: SeekAndFind

PC-USA, yet another rapidly shrinking denomination. The shrinking will now accelerate.


60 posted on 03/18/2015 9:24:23 AM PDT by cookcounty (IRS = Internal Revenge Service.)
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