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Should IRS Have Guns? How About Email?
Forbes ^ | 3/19/2015 | Robert W. Wood

Posted on 03/19/2015 3:13:21 PM PDT by nickcarraway

How would you like seeing gun-toting IRS Agents at your door? In comparison, a correspondence audit doesn’t sound so bad. Only the Criminal Investigation Division of the IRS gets to carry guns, and they say they need them. The IRS has a hard job to do, and being charged with collecting taxes isn’t easy. Yet some people are extra worried about having this already very powerful organization waving weapons around.

For one thing, even this elite unit doesn’t have a perfect safety record. According to one government audit, IRS Agents accidentally discharged their guns 11 times between 2009 and 2011. Some of the misfires resulted in property damage or personal injury.

If you’re thinking that 11 misfires doesn’t sound too bad, consider this: the report also says that IRS agents fired their guns accidentally more times than they did intentionally. That’s according to the Treasury Inspector General for Tax Administration. Even without these safety problems, many people find the IRS and guns a bad mix.

IRS_swat_teamIn some criminal tax cases, defendants have tried to suppress evidence based on the IRS carrying guns. In United States v. Adams, the First Circuit Court of Appeals affirmed Charles Adams’ conviction for conspiracy to defraud the United States by obstructing payroll tax collections and tax evasion. Mr. Adams was convicted despite his argument that the IRS agents carrying guns was not allowed by law.

Mr. Adams was treated as a tax protester, which is clearly a pejorative term. Even so, he isn’t the first taxpayer to be unhappy about the IRS having weapons. In fact, an IRS business card can cause more heart palpitations than the CIA, FBI, DOJ put together. You don’t need to see a firearm to get weak in the knees.

You might feel especially queasy about the IRS having guns

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Government
KEYWORDS: 2a; banglist; guncontrol; guns; irs
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1 posted on 03/19/2015 3:13:21 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway

The IRS under Obama are leftist thugs. If they carry, every adult should. They have been caught on tape hundreds of times verbally attacking taxpayers.


2 posted on 03/19/2015 3:15:31 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (My Batting Average( 1,000) (GOPe is that easy to read))
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To: nickcarraway

The IRS thugs have carried for years.


3 posted on 03/19/2015 3:18:23 PM PDT by CMailBag
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My father had to deal with armed IRS agents during the 70’s when he worked in the NYPD. He and his partner considered them mobsters.


4 posted on 03/19/2015 3:20:02 PM PDT by newnhdad (Our new motto: USA, it was fun while it lasted.)
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To: nickcarraway
Guns?

NO!

Email?

Still thinkig on that one.

5 posted on 03/19/2015 3:21:58 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty - Honor - Country! What else needs said?)
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To: nickcarraway

Words hurt. No they shouldn’t have email...


6 posted on 03/19/2015 3:22:12 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: nickcarraway

Even the WWII French surrender monkeys had a functional UNDERGROUND...

Americans are so cowardly they don’t even HAVE a remnant of patriots willing to form an “Underground”..

Must be because of the advances in public school brain washing.. completely neutered males..


7 posted on 03/19/2015 3:23:07 PM PDT by hosepipe (" This propaganda has been edited (specifically) to include some fully orbed hyperbole.. ")
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To: nickcarraway

I have an idea.

Abolish the IRS.

Problem solved.


8 posted on 03/19/2015 3:36:42 PM PDT by Regulator
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To: nickcarraway
IRS Criminal Investigation Division agents have carried firearms since at least Prohibition days.

"I'm shocked, shocked to find that gambling is going on in here!"

9 posted on 03/19/2015 3:38:07 PM PDT by Thud
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To: stephenjohnbanker

Different issues. Having e-mail is a serious security risk, so it’s completely understandable why they don’t. I also agree with the second part. Yes, people should have a right to intimidate or fight back against attackers like the IRS or cops do.


10 posted on 03/19/2015 3:41:03 PM PDT by Morpheus2009
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To: Regulator

” Abolish the IRS.”

LONG overdue.


11 posted on 03/19/2015 3:42:48 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (My Batting Average( 1,000) (GOPe is that easy to read))
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To: hosepipe

Or how about because plenty of people exaggerate and even lie in some instances about government attrocity? That’s a cold hard fact that a lot of so-called patriot websites do, so really, let’s be honest here, how are people supposed to know that someone isn’t pulling an AJ and totally just scamming you with conspiracy drivel for their own coffers, then enriching themselves and demonstrating that they don’t even believe, by their own lifestyle their own rantings.


12 posted on 03/19/2015 3:43:55 PM PDT by Morpheus2009
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To: CMailBag

“”The IRS thugs have carried for years.””

They used to practice at the South Coast Gun Club in OC CA many, many years ago...The club closed down years ago so I don’t know where they went after that but they definitely carried weapons.


13 posted on 03/19/2015 3:48:17 PM PDT by Thank You Rush
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14 posted on 03/19/2015 3:51:39 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: nickcarraway

The impersonal IRS power to destroy lives via confiscation of bank accounts and garnishment of wages is far worse than the early days of our republic, when state tax collectors met property owners face to face.

Federal income tax collection should likewise be personal and up close. It would serve to keep tax rates low.


15 posted on 03/19/2015 3:54:46 PM PDT by Jacquerie (Article V. If not now, when?)
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To: Jacquerie

“Beware of strong drink. It can make you shoot at tax collectors and miss.” R. Heinlein.

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16 posted on 03/19/2015 3:56:55 PM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: nickcarraway

Is All Capone the author?


17 posted on 03/19/2015 5:08:10 PM PDT by Raycpa
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To: nickcarraway

If they need to arrest someone they, like other federal agencies, should simply call in the county sheriff to provide a couple of deputies.


18 posted on 03/19/2015 5:14:40 PM PDT by marron
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To: marron

Agreed. The government thugocracy is getting far too big.


19 posted on 03/19/2015 5:37:03 PM PDT by generally
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To: Regulator

I’ve been saying this for years.

This simplest solution is often the best.

This is a simple solution.

The government does not have a need or a right to know all the information on my tax return. It is none of their business what I do for a living or how many dependents I have or how much money I make. People only think this is normal because it has “always been that way” for as long as they can remember. Stop and think about what business the government really ought to have nosing into your business. My answer: none


20 posted on 03/19/2015 5:40:20 PM PDT by generally
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