Posted on 03/19/2015 6:14:57 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans
Once for the hammer, once for the sickle, hit the red scum.
haha. I’d bet there are quite a few more 30-50 year olds who’d trade the whole place for a few more weeks urlaub.
YES, Poland is part of NATO, and should be defended. But, Hussein Obama has made it clear he will RENEGE on his Treaty obligations. Coincidence?
27% were actually people saying they fight with firearms in their hands and the poll was conducted the way election polls are done, so ~50% were women, significant part were elderlies, some were disabled and so on.
“why on earth should Americans (or anyone else) fight and die there defending them?”
Come on, just die to stop wasting oxygen :)))
“Was Poland or any other Eastern European country’s membership in NATO ratified by a vote in Congress?”
Yes.
http://www.armscontrol.org/print/327
Why on the earth should Russians fight and and die invading Poland? What so precious owns Poles worth invasion?
I know two so-called Freepers who are all-in for Vlad on this one.
The Poles don’t completely trust NATO — they’ve been betrayed before by the English and French (see the phony war and then the FDR sellout of Poland to Stalin at Yalta), so they are practising
Polish distrust of Russia runs deep. I try to argue with my friends and in-laws here that Russia is better off attacking Turkey, but they still believe that Russia wants to recapture Warsaw. But this time, the Poles want to give the Rosjanie a run for their money
This is a result of the sellout by FD Roosevelet at Yalta
The Chief Scientific Adviser asserts that if the Russians would to try anything, it would be salami tactics (slice by slice). Jim soon realises that he would only push the nuclear button if he were given no choice. But because of the Russians using salami tactics, he will probably never push the nuclear button.
113 00:07:59,135 --> 00:08:02,650 No, if they try anything, it will be salami tactics.
114 00:08:02,855 --> 00:08:05,323 - Salami tactics? - Slice by slice.
115 00:08:06,175 --> 00:08:08,564 One small piece at a time.
116 00:08:08,735 --> 00:08:12,091 So will you press the button if they invade West Berlin?
117 00:08:12,855 --> 00:08:15,653 - It all depends. - On what?
118 00:08:15,855 --> 00:08:17,846 Scenario one.
119 00:08:18,455 --> 00:08:20,923 Riots in West Berlin,
120 00:08:21,095 --> 00:08:23,290 buildings in flames.
121 00:08:23,455 --> 00:08:28,688 East German fire brigade crosses the border to help. Would you press the button...?
122 00:08:29,375 --> 00:08:33,288 The East German police come with them. The button...?
123 00:08:33,495 --> 00:08:37,488 Then some troops, more troops just for riot control, they say.
124 00:08:37,975 --> 00:08:42,730 And then the East German troops are replaced by Russian troops. Button...?
125 00:08:43,535 --> 00:08:46,003 Then the Russian troops don't go.
126 00:08:46,175 --> 00:08:49,963 They are invited to stay to support civilian administration.
127 00:08:50,135 --> 00:08:54,128 The civilian administration closes roads and Tempelhof Airport.
128 00:08:54,775 --> 00:08:58,245 - Now you press the button? - I need time to think about it.
129 00:08:58,415 --> 00:09:00,804 - You have 12 hours. - Have I?
130 00:09:00,975 --> 00:09:04,172 - You're inventing this. - You are Prime Minister today.
The Russians wanted a quick win to get Constantinople
or 1610....
Western Europe doesn’t care. It’s not under threat. In fact the French (both Francois Hollande and even Christine Le Pen) are pro-Putin as are the Italians and others
well, 27% of the adult population. Out of the 38 million I’d say 28 million are 18+ and then “fighting age” men and women would be only about 16 million. So 63% are willing is about 10 million. Not bad.
But men are willing to fight and in fact want to fight. There have been a lot of movies lately about the warsaw uprising (Miasto 44) and Poles are studying why they lost in 1939 and 1944
In 39 there was an option to fight WITH the Nazis against the Soviets (kind of like dancing with the tiger) - but the Poles had very few cards -- only this one (dance with the devil and hope not to get eaten) or give up 90% of the country and retreat to the Bieszady moountains in the south (Poland is flat -- easy to invade)
In 44 they didn't get the women and children and old people out of Warsaw and they didn't believe the Nazis and Ukrainians (yes, the RUP) would be that evil.
If Russia uses conventional means now, I believe that Poland could handle them. Estonia and Latvia haven't got a chance
But to "Americans fight and die" -- the 27% I would see as women with children or cowards. 73% are ready to fight. But having 50 American troops makes a moral difference and will make the Russian Eagle pause...
Why did they fail after that? Internal politics...
The Polish grand lords decided they preferred weaker kings and they promoted a parliament where even a single NAY vote would kill a bill. Net result, nothing happened.
This opened Poland up to meddling by its neighbors (autocratic governments)
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