Posted on 03/22/2015 7:00:24 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks
There is a problem with the mumble mumble... involving mumble safety... and mumble waste... and mumble carbon dioxide... and the solution is TRACKING and SURVEILLANCE and TAXES and... and... what was the question?
People outside California are clueless about the amount of water flushed to the ocean every year to save a few minnows:
Californians lose 800,000 acre-feet of water to 305 minnows
by Harry Cline Feb 27, 2013
800,000 acre-feet of water went to waste based on the science of four buckets of minnows. Westlands general manager calls it “insanity.”
It would take about four average size minnow buckets to hold 305 3-inch Delta smelt, yet that is number of minnows responsible for diverting enough water to the ocean to provide a year’s supply for 800,000 California families.
800,000 acre-feet of water went to waste based on the science of four buckets of minnows. That is enough water to produce crops on 200,000 acres or 10 million tons of tomatoes; 200 million boxes of lettuce; 20 million tons of grapes. You get the picture?
The EPA has to ration water supplies on behalf of those invading hoards at the southern border.
Were you dumb enough to allow your state to mandate smart meters?
Were you dumb enough to let them put a smart meter on your house?
They can even tell the BRAND of things, like hair dryers, you use and how long you use it. They can tell what your furnace is set at - and they can regulate it - Remember, what O’bummer said about having your furnace on 72?
They’re testing the waters to see if people will meekly comply -
It’s coming.
DOES ANYONE EVER LISTEN???
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETX1E__iVsE
Someone needs to tell the EPA about how much water is being drained from aquifers in the Midwest to feed the ethanol boondoggle. More than a gallon of water is used to make each gallon of ethanol and is being dumped into the atmosphere as steam. Note water vapor is a more potent greenhouse gas than CO2
I don’t think we have a choice about the smart meters for our gas and electric. I don’t think we voted on whether or not we wanted a smart meter. One day, there they were.....
For awhile there I was getting a report card telling me (In the summer because I don’t use my ancient a/c. It is so inefficient and doesn’t cool the upstairs.) To keep “cool” I do use ceiling fans. The energy company told me how great I was compared to my neighbors. But as winter set in, I started getting “nudges” that I was being a bad steward of these resources compared to my neighbors. Maybe I might consider getting new appliances?
So I called the energy company and asked them to please stop sending me the report cards, as I kept my heat ON 60!! SIXTY DEGREES all winter. And no, I would not be getting new appliances. My heat is on 60. I am doing my part. I am freezing. So, stop with the report cards.
They did stop them. The smart meters are just there. Not much I can do about it. How do I know if I have one?
Now the water thing is something else. I draw the line at smelling bad and having stringy hair.
Thank you for referencing that article Tolerance Sucks Rocks. Please bear in mind that the following critique is directed at the article and not at you.
To begin with, note that the EPA gets us back to the 17th Amendment (17A), state lawmakers foolishly giving up their voices in Congress by ratifying that amendment. This will be explained in more detail below.
With all due respect to mom & pop, as a consequence of parents not making sure that their children are being taught about the federal government’s constitutionally limited powers, citizens are evidently unable to argue the following points to stop the EPA dead in its tracks.
And with all due respect to the family, friends and supporters of the late President Nixon, given that the states have never delegated to the feds, expressly via the Constitution, the specific power to regulate intrastate environmental issues, Nixon wrongly signed the bill that established the EPA imo.
And not only do the feds not have the constitutional authority to regulate intrastate environmental issues, but even if the states had delegated such powers to the feds, the Founding States had also made the first numbered clauses in the Constitution, Sections 1-3 of Article I, evidently a good place to hide them from Congress, to clarify the following.
All federal legislative powers are vested in the elected members of Congress, not in the executive or judicial branches, or in non-elected federal bureaucrats like those running the EPA. So Congress has a constitutional monopoly on federal legislative / regulatory powers whether it wants it or not.
But by delegating regulatory powers to the EPA, powers that Congress doesn’t even have in this case, Congress is wrongly protecting such powers from the wrath of the voters in blatant defiance of Sections 1-3 mentioned above imo.
The reason that 17A is a part of the problem with the EPA is as follows. The Founding States had not only established the federal Senate, but had given control of the Senate solely to state lawmakers. And the reason state lawmakers elected senators is that senators were expected to protect the interests of the states in Congress. And one way that senators did this was likely to kill House bills that stole state powers, one of those powers being for the states to individually protect their environments.
The problem is that the Progressive Movement spooked low-information voters to pressure their state lawmakers to ratify 17A. State lawmakers then caved in to the pressure and ratified that amendment, foolishly giving up their voices in Congress.
And what’s happening now is that low-information voters go home and watch football after voting, oblivious to the idea that their federal senators are working in cahoots with the corrupt House to steal both state powers and state revenues associated with those powers.
What this boils down to is that the Senate should have either killed the bill that established the EPA, or should have worked with the House to propose an environmental amendment to the Constitution to the states, the states not obligated to ratify any amendment that Congress proposes to them.
The bottom line is that the EPA needs to be added to the list of reasons to repeal 17A imo.
I happened, about 3 years ago, to open my door just as the
‘electric man’ was coming across my yard with a box under his arm.
Upon inquiry, he answered that he was there to install my ‘smart meter’.
I said: “no, you are not.”
He was startled and startd to insist.
I told him it was not a conversation, that I had specifically opted out, via phone and written notice, of the program.
“But, but...” he started.
“NO.” I said. Take your box and leave.”
I have since paid a $12 fine monthly for NOT having it. I make out 2 checks - one for “use” and one for “fine.”
You at least have that choice. I fought against the smart meter too, but when the “service charge” for not having one went to $36./MONTH, I capitulated.
You see, you have a “fine” of 1/3 my service charge, and while it’s unlikely your service will be cut off for failure to pay your “fine”, mine can and would be cut off for non-payment of my “legitimate” bill.
I’m assuming you’re in Maine. You know how pleasant it would be to have one’s power cut off in midwinter. Even now would be quite inconvenient.
“I think that white people shower a lot more than ethnic. I feel like showering more than once a day, or every day is such a white people thing.”
Well said. Concur.
Can’t remember if we had a vote here in Ventura County, Ca, regarding smart (dumb) meters. But they went about installing them.
We opted out. Two daughters and their families opted out.
Too many people are not aware of what’s going on.
I’ve always been ‘Scotch’ with water anyway - not letting it idly run while brushing teeth, etc. Think I got that from my parents, in the 1940’s.
I must have been taught that water is precious, or something. And that I shouldn’t waste it. Like many things we weren’t ‘wasting’ during the war years.
For 5 years we lived in New Mexico - and had well water. We really subconsciously treat water as if it’s not easy come, easy go.
And now we’re 45 years here, in drought-stricken California!
I want to be a fly on the wall in the room where they brainstorm the ideas for the latest diktat.
Yes, the water that goes down the drain is forever lost, never to be seen again. In a few more years, the oceans will dry up because people are taking longer showers. That is, unless enough polar ice melts to fill them up again.
Clean Air Act PL 88-206 (1963)
Water Quality Act PL 89-234 (1965)
Solid Waste Disposal Act PL 89-272 (1965)
Wilderness Act PL 88-577 (1964)
Endangered Species Preservation Act PL 89-669 (1966)
Wild and Scenic Rivers Act PL 90-542 (1968)
National Environmental Policy Act PL 91-190 (1969).
We have lots of laws in America. All the above absurdly vague laws confer on the Executive Branch the power to issue regulations with the force of law, to prosecute violators, to judge their guilt or innocence, and to prescribe punishment.
Your quarrel is not with the fact that we "no longer have laws", it's with the fact that since 1937 the Supreme Court has permitted Congress to delegate its exclusive lawmaking powers to Executive Branch agencies.
There is no Federal law establishing the EPA. It was established by Nixon's executive order in 1970 to coordinate enforcement of laws passed by Congress:
Clean Air Act PL 88-206 (1963)
Water Quality Act PL 89-234 (1965)
Solid Waste Disposal Act PL 89-272 (1965)
Wilderness Act PL 88-577 (1964)
Endangered Species Preservation Act PL 89-669 (1966)
Wild and Scenic Rivers Act PL 90-542 (1968)
National Environmental Policy Act PL 91-190 (1969)
The competing jurisdictions in created by these laws in Commerce, Agriculture, Interior, HEW, Labor, and Justice were creating inefficiencies and waste.
THE PROBLEM IS NOT THE EPA. The problem is the laws that permit and necessitate regulations with the force of law.
All about the $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$, squeezing more $$$$$$$$$$$$ from the people by any means necessary.
I left CA 35 yrs ago - came back east and have my little house in the woods - and well - and wood stove.
Half way to independence...
danged if I’m gonna let the gov’t tell me how much of my well water I can use for a shower...
. O course. I was without power for for almost 3 weeks during the ICE STORM of '98 - and nearly always at least one outage a year - .
But, I have my well water, my wood stove and kerosene lamps - so I make it fine.
Yes, some inconveniences, but I grew up without power - Millions of people lived for thousands of years without "power" and created things that far surpass what we do today.
I really do like to flip a switch - and love my hot water spigot - and PC. But, with planning, we CAN make it without. I chose to get outta Calif. and back where I can have more independence.
Thank you for the clarification on that one point. I had seen that when I reviewed EPA but failed to make the correction in my post.
Note that the Supreme Court had clarified in Youngstown Sheet & Tube Co. v. Sawyer that executive orders don’t have the force of law unless they are supported by Congress. And Senate approval was involved with this executive order.
"The order establishing the EPA was ratified by committee hearings in the House and Senate.””The problem is the laws that permit and necessitate regulations with the force of law. “
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Environmental_Protection_Agency
It remains that the states have never delegated to the feds, expressly via the Constitution, the specific power to regulate intrastate environmental issues.
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