Posted on 03/24/2015 12:18:36 PM PDT by C19fan
Me too. That is my point. If he comes out with a statement we quit speculating. If he truly is a proponent of giving American jobs to foreigners he is toast.
All Cruz's amendment to the 2013 Gang of Eight bill proposed was increasing the cap on H1B visas, not mandating that number. Despite the arguments of protectionists, there is a shortage of STEM workers, a problem we as a society created. Cruz's amendment provided greater funding for domestic STEM education. In the short term, immigration is the only solution, other than offshoring.
Not sure how I got included in that response, but ... I support Ted on ethanol subsidies.
One question though: how are the two issues related? One is an unconstitutional wealth transfer and the other is a contrived solution to a problem we don’t have.
Who’s bashing?
When has the cap ever not been reached?
Despite the arguments of protectionists, there is a shortage of STEM workers
No there is not:
“In fact, the nation graduates more than two times as many STEM students each year as find jobs in STEM fields. For the 180,000 or so openings annually, U.S. colleges and universities supply 500,000 graduates.” - http://issues.org/29-4/what-shortages-the-real-evidence-about-the-stem-workforce/
And many H-1Bs replace American workers - who are required, as a condition of getting their severance, to train those replacements (e.g., http://www.amren.com/news/2015/02/southern-california-edison-it-workers-beyond-furious-over-h-1b-replacements/) - so where's the "shortage"?
See #63 and #72
This guy quotes completely different numbers :
There are some 40,000 computer science bachelor’s degree earners each year but roughly 4 million job vacancies for computer workers. In all, the median duration of advertising for STEM vacancies is more than twice that of those in other fields.
Short on STEM Talent Don't buy claims that the U.S. has too many STEM workers.
Another thing, one of my coworkers got hired last year as a new college grad with a BCS and she says that she was the only female of her class(that women are much less interested in this than past decades), and I bet one of the few multigeneration Americans too.
“The principle finding is that there is a relative shortage of U.S. workers with STEM skills. In other words, STEM skills are in high demand relative to supply, and the problem is especially acute in certain metropolitan areas, where the average vacancy for STEM workers takes months to fill,” Rothwell added.
Report Claims HUGE Shortage Of STEM Workers(daily caller 7/1/2014)/
Immigrants are much more willing to move to the jobs than Americans, for obvious reasons.
My next door neighbor moved here from India 6 years ago and just got his wife and kids here recently, he says he got an IT job for Social Security and Medicare.
Source?
”In fact, the nation graduates more than two times as many STEM students each year as find jobs in STEM fields. For the 180,000 or so openings annually, U.S. colleges and universities supply 500,000 graduates.”
This guy quotes completely different numbers :
There are some 40,000 computer science bachelor’s degree earners each year but roughly 4 million job vacancies for computer workers.
NOT "completely different numbers" - and a nonsense comparison. My source compares apples to apples: new STEM workers (grads) to new STEM position. Your source compares a subset of new STEM workers to ALL existing positions.
In all, the median duration of advertising for STEM vacancies is more than twice that of those in other fields.
Which could equally well mean there's a labor oversupply in the other fields. Or that STEM-qualified Americans don't want those jobs at the offered wages - which would mean by basic market economics that wages need to be raised.
The amendment itself.
See E (2)(b) http://www.judiciary.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/Cruz4-(MDM13526).pdf “have at least 2 years experience in an occupation designated by the Bureau of Labor Statistics as experiencing a shortage of labor throughout the United States.’’”
Or Americans are not willing to put in the work to get degrees and education, or move to where those jobs are.
I can see it here, its the immigrants with two parent families making their kids study and go to college, the American boys want a great job selling cars and the teenage girls are interested in having babies while living at home.(heck, dad;s long gone and they live with mom)
If ya 4 million job vacancies for computer workers and big unemployment in other fields than simply raising salaries will do nothing.
It did not take long for Ted to stick his foot in his mouth.
It was past history, speaking of foot in mouth disease.
See #150.
Amendment filed in Feb 2013 — over 2 years ago. This author glides right past that creating the impression this is something new and totally ignoring that Cruz’s amendments were totally killed by Harry Reid.
Why?
Because they were designed to be killer amendments attached to the so-called “comprehensive immigration bill” that so many republicans were ready to support.
Yes, RELATIVE - in other words, this could equally well mean there's a labor oversupply in the other fields.
the problem is especially acute in certain metropolitan areas
So rather than employers in those areas sweetening the pot for relocation from the next state, we should import Third World standards of living from halfway around the world?
Or Americans are not willing to put in the work to get degrees and education, or move to where those jobs are.
Each theory explains the data - so "shortage" remains unproven.
Ironically one of these ‘Third World standards of living’ is two parent opposite sex married parent families, like the type that Americans believed in when I was kid.
And ones with a work and success ethic that drive their kids to get the top of class grades.
Unfortunately in a generation or two America culture will ruin them too.
Young Americans are really good at texting, watching entertainment shows and who won the Grammies, and what Kim Kardashian is up to.
607,500 "highly-skilled workers" PLUS 405,000 "shortage" workers! That's even worse than what the article describes.
First, you appear to be missing the point that Cruz is not PROPOSING anything. This amendment was offered over 2 years ago and was killed in the Senate by Harry Reid.
So, it’s dead. It no longer exists. It was a prior Congress.
Therefore, there is no such proposal.
Second, the amendments itself was DESIGNED to be a killer amendment attached to the comprehensive immigration bill loved by democrats and a fair number of rinos.
1. They absolutely FORBADE any illegal alien receiving any variety of pathway to citizenship. No exceptions. Do you agree with that?
2. They supported ONLY legal immigration or legal status. However, they controlled even legal immigration. (a) Business immigrants had to had a million dollars to start up their business, (b) research immigrants had to ALREADY be in positions in universities or businesses here in the US. (c) Tech immigrants were allowable ONLY if the Bureau of Labor certified a SHORTAGE in their field.
Now, you tell me.
Why did HARRY REID want to kill Cruz’s amendments?
The arguments Cruz made on its behalf are no less applicable now than they were then.
Tech immigrants were allowable ONLY if the Bureau of Labor certified a SHORTAGE in their field.
No, that was a category IN ADDITION TO the "highly-skilled workers" according to your link.
Again, you are ignoring that this amendment is no longer proposed and was from the last congress and for attachment to the comprehensive immigration bill.
You overlook the restrictions placed on any immigration/immigrant that make them very hard requirements even to meet. For example, some require having been trained in the US or being internationally acclaimed.
There IS no proposal. This is DEAD.
What part of that don’t you understand?
Why did Harry Reid kill this if it was everything he wanted?
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