Posted on 03/27/2015 5:10:40 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum
The Republicans are facing a 16 million person problem.
With the Obama administration announcing this month that some 16 million people have obtained health insurance since the passage of the Affordable Care Act, the Republicans' intense focus on completely repealing the law is increasingly looking unrealistic.
(Excerpt) Read more at nbcnews.com ...
Exactly. The 16M number is rhetoric designed to scare the GOP insiders. Obamacare is an unpopular failure that can still be killed before it destroys America as a free country.
I remember hospitalization insurance. A doctor visit was $20 bucks, cash or check.
As FReepers read the following material about Obamacare, please bear In mind that all the big government problems that we are now having with Obamacare are traceable back to the ill-conceived 17th Amendment (17A) imo. When state lawmakers ratified that amendment they foolishly gave up the voices of state lawmakers in Congress.
What Obamacare did was to expose major corruption all three branches of the federal government.
More specifically, Obama’s activist justices don’t want citizens to find out that the Supreme Court has historically clarified, on several occasions, that the states have never delegated to the feds the specific powers to regulate, tax and spend for intrastate healthcare purposes. This is evidenced by the excerpts below from Supreme Court case opinions.
In fact, note that the current controversy about the Obamacare insurance mandate is actually not controversial at all imo. This is evidenced by the fourth entry in the list from Paul v. Virginia (Paul). The Paul excerpt indicates that the Supreme Court had previously clarified that insurance policies are contracts, not commerce, Congress therefore having no Commerce Clause power to regulate insurance policies, regardless if such policies are negotiated across state borders.
”State inspection laws, health laws, and laws for regulating the internal commerce of a State, and those which respect turnpike roads, ferries, &c. are not within the power granted to Congress. [emphases added]” —Gibbons v. Ogden, 1824.
“Congress is not empowered to tax for those purposes which are within the exclusive province of the States.” —Justice John Marshall, Gibbons v. Ogden, 1824.
“Inspection laws, quarantine laws, health laws of every description [emphasis added], as well as laws for regulating the internal commerce of a state and those which respect turnpike roads, ferries, &c., are component parts of this mass.” —Justice Barbour, New York v. Miln., 1837.
”4. The issuing of a policy of insurance is not a transaction of commerce [emphasis added] within the meaning of the latter of the two clauses, even though the parties be domiciled in different States, but is a simple contract of indemnity against loss.” — Paul v. Virginia, 1869. (The corrupt feds have no Commerce Clause (1.8.3) power to regulate insurance.)
“Direct control of medical practice in the states is obviously [emphases added] beyond the power of Congress.” –Linder v. United States, 1925.
In fact, note that regardless that federal Democrats, RINOs, corrupt justices and indoctrinated attorneys will argue that if the Constitution doesn’t say that the feds can’t do something then they can do it, the Supreme Court has addressed that foolish idea too. Politically correct interpretations of the Constitution's Supremacy Clause (5.2) aside, the Court has clarified in broad terms that powers not delegated to the feds, expressly via the Constitution, the specific power to regulate intrastate healthcare in this case, are prohibited to the feds.
”From the accepted doctrine that the United States is a government of delegated powers, it follows that those not expressly granted, or reasonably to be implied from such as are conferred, are reserved to the states, or to the people. To forestall any suggestion to the contrary, the Tenth Amendment was adopted. The same proposition, otherwise stated, is that powers not granted are prohibited [emphasis added].” —United States v. Butler, 1936.
So if Republicans really want to save Obamacare within the framework of the Constitution that they have sworn to protect and defend then this is what they must do. The must rally both Houses of Congress to propose a healthcare amendment to the Constitution to the states. And if the state’s choose to ratify the amendment then Congress will actually have the constitutional authority that it needs to establish Obamacare and Republicans will be heroes.
Getting back to 17A, again, consider if that amendment hadn’t been ratified, effectively repealing the Constitution imo, then not only would Obamacare probably not been wrongly established outside the framework of the Constitution, but with all due respect to Constitution-respecting justices there would probably be all different faces on the Supreme Court at this time.
The 17th Amendment needs to disappear.
Magically went up 10 million.
Obamacare.too big to fail.
“Congress has to repeal it as a tax.”
Let’s think about this. Leftists whine all the time that Reps only give tax cuts for the rich. Ending Obozocare would be a tax cut for the poor and middle class... isn’t that something leftists could support!
“Still they tout, that at best, a 40% compliance rate of just the previously uninsured is a great success?”
I think 40% is too optimistic. For Obozocare to really work, healthy, young people had to sign up in large #s. I think the young have not been their in droves, and the majority of the supposed 16 million are Medicaid (non-contributing) participants. One should look at the state by state sign-ups. Some statistical analysis might show that most of the sign ups are in “blue-socialist-Marxist” states, as are most of the government subsidies. Cutting blue-socialist-Marxists welfare might actually be a good thing...and the downside might not exist for “red-conservative” representatives.
Oh, I was being generous, just to make a point, that by their own standards, they have fallen far short, despite their bragging that ‘it is working!’; not being optimistic.
0bamacare was designed to fail, designed to destroy the helthcare system, so that within a few years, the peasantry will demand ‘single payer’ completely federally controlled socialized healthcare.
My existing employer paid insurance that was part of my compensation was cancelled because it did not meet obamacare rules.Signing up for the NEW employer-offered approved insurance with comparable benefits was $200 a month in addition.I can’t afford it. Nor did my employer raise my pay in the amount of insurance costs that are not being paid,thus it is a savings for the employer. All the workers caught in this trap are screwed by both the government and their employer.
The bronze plans are worthless with a high deductible and co-pay.
Obamacare,pelosi, democrats,and RINOs have all made life harder for WORKING Americans.
I guess we’ll find out if words mean what they say.
It was phrased that way on purpose to be used as a club to the states to get them to participate.
I expect Roberts to save it once again. This one will be easy after the contortions he went through last time.
In reality, it's too fail to survive, hopefully.
The NBC apes think their necks are immune from ropes.
Most of those 16 million are probably Medicaid.
End the mandate and subsidies and see what happens
Those 16 million want others paying for it, no matter the price
Here’s a link to a story in the Washington Times entitled, “Obamacare Flying Machine Begins A Death Spiral.”
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/mar/26/susan-parnell-the-obamacare-death-spiral-may-have-/
And how many of them like their Obamacare policy, its premiums and its benefits?
Might be the same 16 million.
Bring it on.
ObamaCare was simply the latest in a redistribution scheme geared towards channeling Americans into a planned economy with equal outcomes; like the Earned Income Credit it is a taxpayer-funded freebie for some (the recipients of subsidies) while a bane to others (those actually footing the bill). Working Americans, unless they are extremely talented to the point where they can earn a great salary, are going to end up closer and closer to the level of those that don’t work at all; they will live in the same neighborhoods (due to Section 8 housing, which wealthy people always seem to keep out of their enclaves), and their children will end up in the same schools (while those with money use other options). Their wages will be reduced through income, Medicare, and Social Security taxes (note that people earning more than $118K don’t pay Social Security taxes on additional income, so that is your minimum income to escape “little people” status), and they will jump through increasingly difficult hoops to collect any benefits from these programs if they aren’t p!ss poor (my retirement age for SS is 67, while 27 year-olds with fake autism or some other gray-area pathology are already collecting).
As another FReeper pointed out, the last free Americans are the illegal aliens who live completely outside the system.
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