Posted on 03/31/2015 2:13:21 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper
No problem. I don’t have time right now to fight this one out. I have a feeling that some define words as they wish no matter what proofs are offered. It would take an hour or two to lay out the case and I can do that right now. You did a nice job!
Great post! Thanks for reminding us the ultimate sacrifice our Lord Jesus was willing to make.
Do you know the names of Isaiah’s two sons?
Sorry, I’m not playing that game. I responded to you plainly, and I ask that you do the same. Otherwise, there is no reason to continue this discussion.
Trinity is a shorthand for the set of theological affirmations that is well supported by the New Testament. That God is a Father, a Son, and a Holy Spirit, each aspect or person or whatever being God and also distinct from the others. Nobody needs to use the word Trinity if he does not wish to. In the face of confessing the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit in their classic New Testament sense, whether or not it is proper to say Trinity is an argument nigh unto how many angels can dance on the head of a pin. If it seems sinful to you then don’t do it, but try not to judge those who do.
Just as I said. We cannot define God. So a group of a hundred or so theologians, none claiming contemporary revelation from God, use their human minds to parse out God’s attributes and come up with the Trinity? To arrive there they had to have apriori beliefs about God. Those apriori beliefs were placed in their minds by the Catholic Church which they rejected as apostate and in error.
Take the title of this post. How can God forsake himself?
LOL. You invited me to refute the Westminster Confession verse by verse for your own enjoyment with no intention of ever abandoning the Trinitarian Heresy. You can take your ball and go home if you want, but let’s not throw stones. ;-]
And again, I point out that all that was in the WCF concerning God was taken from the Bible. Do you dispute these passages?
How do you reconcile one God with Jesus’ baptismal command?
How many gods are there in your belief system?
And, you, being even further removed from the first century events than the men you criticize, claim to know that they are in error. From where did you gain this knowledge?
From where? ... Mormonism, 1010 is a Mormonism apologist.
BTW you might want to study the Greek ‘eimi’ here:
http://biblehub.com/text/john/8-58.htm
http://biblehub.com/greek/1510.htm
Does it carry the same implications as the Hebrew here?:
http://biblehub.com/text/exodus/3-14.htm
http://biblehub.com/hebrew/834.htm
You’ll note it does not. Something else is going here and the Divines missed it because of their apriori beliefs.
No problem. I don’t have time right now to fight this one out. I have a feeling that some define words as they wish no matter what proofs are offered. It would take an hour or two to lay out the case and I can do that right now. You did a nice job!
If there is something important about the names of Isaiah’s sons, speak plainly and enlighten me.
I don’t expect you to change your beliefs because of me, but I am explaining why I believe what I believe, since Christians should be will to give an answer for the hope that is in them.
1010RD, is this true?
Jefferson parsed the Bible and removed passages he didn’t agree with. The WCF ‘Divines’ have done the same thing. A few passages taken from the Bible don’t equal the Bible.
Take something fundamental to the Trinitarian confession, that God is without body, parts, or passions. Yet the LORD spake unto Moses face to face, as a man speaketh unto his friend. Substitute Aaron for the LORD and the sentence reads the same way in Hebrew. Later Moses and the seventy see the rearward parts of God. Should I believe the Bible or not?
How about passions? Does God have them? Yes and he expresses them throughout the Bible. He grieves and is jealous. http://biblehub.com/hebrew/7067.htm Jesus does express emotion as well, no? Jesus even suffers.
You can believe what you want, but it doesn’t jive with the Bible, FRiend.
Biblical naming systems are specific and critical to understanding who’s being discussed and addressed. They can be subtle or not. Look up the names of the sons of Isaiah and you’ll see.
“The hungry are paid by my taxes and contributions. What else should I do ? I paid for your drinks by my taxes and contributions.”
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Even non-believers pay taxes that feed and clothe the poor. Are a Christian’s responsibilities not greater than and atheist’s?
I see. So my beliefs should hang on subtle nuances of the names of Isaiah’s children and not on the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit?
This sounds more like a gnostic heresy than Christianity. A special knowledge rather than the plain teaching. Again, I wonder how you have come to know these things.
Good luck for an honest answer.
Are a Christian’s responsibilities not greater than...No. NOT greater. Sorry, if you are a Christian I don’t think they were meant to be a dumping ground. You do what you can.
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