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Fundamental Concepts – Guess what Conservatives? We can't win [Weirddave]
Ace of Spades HQ ^ | April 4, 2015 | Open Blogger

Posted on 04/04/2015 11:38:36 AM PDT by Bratch

Earlier this week, Drew M wrote another chapter in his long running “Let It Burn” saga, Can The GOP Be Reformed? Some Say No, Others Are Wrong. It's a good essay, I encourage anyone who missed it to take a moment to read it, because I'm about to take issue with it. 

The issue I have with Drew's thread has nothing to do with it's content. I happen to think that his observations are spot on, and I agree with them. The GOP isn't a conservative party. It isn't going to ever be as conservative as he, and I, and I suspect most of you, would want. The United States will never be as conservative as it should be, and in fact it never was as conservative as we like to pretend. Even if one views the Constitution as the greatest governing document devised by man, which it is, it still has its flaws, and from the day it was ratified efforts from all sides have been ongoing to change or modify its provisions. The problem I have with Drew's essay is that I think he misunderstands the role that we absolutely HAVE to play in the system.

Let It Burn

First, lets dispense with the canard that Conservatives need to just step back and let the worst happen. Let the inevitable collapse occur with an eye towards rebuilding a more traditional, freer, country from the ashes.

It ain't going to happen.

I can think of no situation in the history of mankind where societal or governmental collapse was not followed by a tyrannical government. Remember, oligarchy is the natural state of mankind, once all of the underpinnings of American law and government are destroyed, an oligarchy WILL form to reestablish “order” and to provide “security” for the people. Betting the house that we'd be able to form a successful, American version of the White Army to prevent this strikes me as gambling against very long odds indeed. I understand the seductive nature of let it burn, really I do, and sometimes in frustration or cynicism I waiver towards it's siren call, but ultimately I think it's a fool's gambit. That's not a world I want to live in or want my children or my grandchildren to inherit. Life there is nasty, brutish and short.

Third Party

Now here's a good idea. If the GOP no longer represents the values of a significant portion of it's members, those members should form a party that does. The two parties could then duke it out for the hearts and minds of the right side of the population, with one emerging triumphant. Assuming that it's the breakaway Conservative party, we would then be able to steer the country back in the direction of prosperity and freedom. Sign me up! Except....

I don't think we have the time. The Republicans deposed the Whigs in six years. But without an issue as divisive as slavery to drive the confrontation, I think it would take much longer than that. We don't have six years. A President Hillary or Warren with a Dem controlled House and Senate would probably cause a collapse in six months. Unfortunately, a serious attempt at forming a third party right now would do nothing but bring about the let it burn scenario.

The GOP is useless!

It's hard to argue against the thesis that the GOP is useless. Citizen push back against the leftist policies of the current Democrat party have given the GOP strong majorities in the House and Senate, and they've done nothing with them, squandering the leverage given them by the Constitution to control the budget, showing their belly on illegal immigration and refusing to even consider using Constitutional measured to bring an out of control Executive to heel. It's hard to see how anything is going to change in the next two years either.

On the other hand, it's easy to forget or overlook things that the GOP has accomplished, either intentionally or unintentionally. For the former, we need look no further than gun rights, which are the best in 40 years. If the burning times ever do come, you can thank your lucky stars the GOP never went full squish on these, as you'll probably be depending on one to survive. In the later camp is global warming. Suppose Gore had won in 2000, and instituted cap and trade and a whole bunch of other nonsense. Not only would the economic growth of the 2000s not have taken place, but we'd be in a world where the 18 year halt in rising global temps would be touted every day as justification for some new government program or another. “We acted on global warming in 2000 and stopped it!” would be the left's first line of defense against any push back from conservatives, and it would be very hard to refute.

Fine. So what is our role?

Our role, as William F. Buckley so succinctly put it, is to stand athwart history, yelling "Stop!". All of the natural forces of history and humanity are constantly working against us. The natural state of mankind is poverty, with a small wealthy elite ruling over the masses. We have a system of government that is based upon individual freedom and responsibility, but like everything else, it's constantly reverting to the mean. Entropy in politics is no less real than it is in the universe. We can never stop it, but we have to work very hard to slow it down. We send conservative Republicans to Congress. Over time, as they get seduced by the DC political class, we replace them with others. Lather, rinse, repeat. This is our way of slowing the Overton window. If we can do that, if we thwart not just the natural tendency of human societies to revert to the mean but also those people who actively work to subvert the system and accrue power to themselves, then once in a while, every generation of so, an inflection point arrives where things are so bad that we actually have a chance to jump start the system again. Reagan was one such point, but what great conservative policy victories did he hand us? He didn't eliminate any government agencies, even though he promised to (bet he would have if he'd had the House). He got suckered into a bad immigration bill that's set the stage for so many of our problems today and he frankly got rooked by Tip O'Neill on spending cuts. Why then do we revere the Reagan presidency? He stood on principle and won the cold war. His conservative policies jump started the economy for 20 years, making the country prosperous enough to support collectivist garbage. He revitalized the concept of conservatism as a vibrant, viable option, such that it only took two years of Democrat malfeasance for the country to give the House to the Republicans in 1994 to put on the brakes. The 1994 conservative wave doesn't happen without Reagan, and without it we would have gotten Hillarycare. How much worse a shape would we be in today if that financial albatross had been hanging around our necks all this time? We got a 16 year reprieve from nationalized healthcare by electing the GOP in 1994, even though the vaunted “Contract With America” was for the most part a paper tiger.

The good news is that as long as we are able to stave off total collapse, we are guaranteed to get these inflection points, because the policies of the Left create them. 2016 is just such a point. I don't see things getting better in the next 2 years, in fact they'll get worse (maybe much, much worse). A President Cruz, or Jindal, or Walker or Perry could very well engineer the same kind of turnaround that Reagan did.

So we win, right?

No. We don't win. That's the tough part in all of this. We can never win. The forces of entropy are always going to be working against us. Any victories we get are eventually going to be undone. Obamacare came along and made the victory over Hillarycare moot, but that victory did buy us 16 years. All we can do is slow things down and every so often pump some more energy into the system, keeping it going. Our job is to be the adults in the room. We have to get up every Saturday morning and cut the grass. No matter how good a job we do, cutting, weeding, trimming and edging, next week the grass needs to be cut again. And the following week, and the one after that. Forever. When we die, our kids have to cut the grass, and their kids, and their kids. The grass never stops growing, the same job always has to be done again next week. If we give up, slack off, stop cutting the grass, pretty soon we don't have a nice lawn, we have a weed choked lot. I don't want to live in a weed choked lot, so I cut the grass. It's boring and redundant and frustrating, but I do it. My (metaphorical) neighbors across the street don't bother, and their lawn looks like [crap]. Our political opponents don't bother, and their country looks like [crap]. [crap] has one thing going for it: It's easy. It requires no work. I don't want my country to look like [crap], so I do the work. It's Sisyphean, so I'll close with Camus:

The absurd man says yes and his effort will henceforth be
unceasing. If there is a personal fate, there is no higher destiny, or
at least there is but one which he concludes is inevitable and
despicable. For the rest, he knows himself to be the master of his
days. At that subtle moment when man glances backward over his
life, Sisyphus returning toward his rock, in that slight pivoting he
contemplates that series of unrelated actions which becomes his
fate, created by him, combined under his memory’s eye and soon
sealed by his death. Thus, convinced of the wholly human origin of
all that is human, a blind man eager to see who knows that the
night has no end, he is still on the go. The rock is still rolling.
I leave Sisyphus at the foot of the mountain! One always finds
one’s burden again. But Sisyphus teaches the higher fidelity that
negates the gods and raises rocks. He too concludes that all is well.
This universe henceforth without a master seems to him neither
sterile nor futile. Each atom of that stone, each mineral flake of
that night-filled mountain, in itself forms a world. The struggle
itself toward the heights is enough to fill a man’s heart. One must
imagine Sisyphus happy.

-The Myth of Sisyphus

Our role is to be the absurd man.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: conservatives; entropy; government
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1 posted on 04/04/2015 11:38:36 AM PDT by Bratch
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To: Bratch

The problem with going third party is all the spineless “conservative” cowards who are too afraid to try, so they fallback on the Sisyphean “we have to reform the GOP from the inside!”

Ain’t gonna happen, folks.

If all the millions of so-called conservatives out there who *say* they’re mad at the GOP actually left and formed a third party, and joined with the other millions of conservatives and liberty lovers who have *already left* the GOP, you’d have something right there that would have a good shot at ending the GOP and replacing it.

But “we can’t do that, because third parties never win!”

Self-fulfilling prophecies are always the worst ones.


2 posted on 04/04/2015 11:43:48 AM PDT by Yashcheritsiy (It's time to repeal and replace the GOP)
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To: Bratch
That's life, that's what people say
You're riding high in April,
Shot down in May
But I know I'm gonna change that tune,
When I'm back on top, back on top in June

...

...

That's life, that's life
And I can't deny it
Many times I thought of cuttin' out but my heart won't buy it
But if there's nothing shakin' come here this July
I'm gonna roll myself up in a big ball and die ...

3 posted on 04/04/2015 11:45:47 AM PDT by x
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To: 14themunny; 21stCenturion; 300magnum; A Strict Constructionist; abigail2; AdvisorB; Aggie Mama; ...
I'm not completely sure if this is correct for a Federalist/Anti-Federalist ping, but it's one of most thought provoking articles posted on FR in a long while.

It's about entropy, the climate for conservative change and whether that change is reasonably possible at all.

4 posted on 04/04/2015 11:49:20 AM PDT by Publius ("Who is John Galt?" by Billthedrill and Publius now available at Amazon.)
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To: x

A great song, great record.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zoXLKgX0MgU


5 posted on 04/04/2015 11:54:36 AM PDT by Canedawg (Panem et circenses)
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To: Bratch

Yeah what was the point to fight the war of America’s first Revolution against the world’s greatest super power at the time in the 1700s, the British, yeah, it’s a lost cause, we could not beat the British. Sarcasm


6 posted on 04/04/2015 12:35:22 PM PDT by American Constitutionalist (The Keystone Pipe like Project : build it already Congress)
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To: Bratch

I think the error with this essay is a lack of historical context. And that can be uncomfortable viewing, but the end result is hopeful.

To start with, conservatives today are not like Goldwater conservatives, because the world is a very different place today than it was then. Nobody but radical leftists (well, maybe Putin) is upset that the Soviet Union collapsed.

The radical leftists in the US back then were *so* far left that they supported Soviet gulags, and wanted a US even more brutal, like Red Khmer Cambodia. They were hardcore fanatics like Angela Davis. The worst that can be said of today’s leftists, with a few exceptions, is that they are more like Mensheviks. Weakling socialists with profoundly naive and stupid ideas.

The Democrats have become little more than the part of sin, from the seven deadly sins to petty nuisance sin. That is their campaign platform, with no deep thought behind it.

Conversely, Republicans are now divided into the various flavors of conservatism, which overlap considerably, and the Whig-style Republicans, the current leadership, who have power but no will or spine.

With continued erosion, there really is no future for the Whigs. One way or another, they and their cronies have no future in the Republican party, because though they have deep pockets, their only platform is to stop conservatives from ascending to power, just to protect their cronies.

If Jeb Bush is elected, the truth is that he will carry the day with fewer than 10,000 wealthy contributors. Literally nobody other than they wants what he wants. There is no joy or hope in that. “Jeb will fill a much needed gap” is hardly a winning campaign slogan.

Yet the time of the Whigs is running out. With each election, at all levels, their numbers are decreasing. This last election, the Empire struck back, but it is losing the war. And the fewer there are, the more concentrated the efforts of conservatives are against them.


7 posted on 04/04/2015 12:37:26 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy ("Don't compare me to the almighty, compare me to the alternative." -Obama, 09-24-11)
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To: Bratch

Sisyphus... indeed...


8 posted on 04/04/2015 1:12:40 PM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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To: Bratch
In Book III of Machiavelli's Discourses on Livy, he devotes a chapter to how the Roman Republic renewed itself when necessary and lasted some 450 years.

The confederal American Republic ended in 1913, after only 125 years. It is way past time to trash the subsequent democratic republic and return to our structural beginnings.

We can do the same as the Romans. Article V to repeal the 17A and reclaim the federal republic. There is no substitute.

9 posted on 04/04/2015 1:40:12 PM PDT by Jacquerie (Article V. If not now, when?)
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To: Bratch

Dismal prediction I don’t agree with, although it does contain a lot of useful information.


10 posted on 04/04/2015 2:01:41 PM PDT by ZULU (Je Suis Charlie. . GET IT OBAMA, OR DON'T YOU??)
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To: Publius
Entropy.

What America is experiencing now.

Thanks for the BEEP!

11 posted on 04/04/2015 3:28:10 PM PDT by YHAOS
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To: Jacquerie
I, too, have a vision for the renewal of the Republic. Seemingly, one less Sisyphusian than other approaches. Or perhaps, a realistic way of making the other needful things less impossible.

We must tame “the media.” Lots of luck, right? But what if a civil suit could bring it to book? That wouldn’t even require a single Republican politician. What would such a suit allege?


12 posted on 04/04/2015 6:41:29 PM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion ('Liberalism' is a conspiracy against the public by wire-service journalism.)
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To: Yashcheritsiy

Hes right the fight against the political greed for power is a unceasing one. But his supposed inflection points such as the Reagan revolution while they do happen, as he pointed out they clearly don’t accomplish much but buy a little time if that. Add to that and they only happen after democrats screwing things up so bad that we have no choice, even then they don’t fix the problem so we still lose ground over all and in the end the result is the same dictatorship.

Its really just a question of how much of our culture and demographic legacy we lose before we get there and to the next revolution.

Maybe letting it all collapse will end in dictatorship, maybe we can’t form a white army strong enough as to insure some part of our country remains free. But from the ashes of tyranny we have the seed of of a new revolution written in the cultural legacy of freedom provided that legacy still exist, and is not completely destroyed by forgoing centuries of leftist progressive tyranny.


13 posted on 04/04/2015 7:47:44 PM PDT by Monorprise
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To: Bratch

Of course we can win. But people like this make it more difficult.


14 posted on 04/04/2015 9:52:48 PM PDT by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: Yashcheritsiy

Someone has to lead the way.


15 posted on 04/04/2015 9:53:25 PM PDT by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: Monorprise

Let’s ask ourselves the obvious question - in the event of a genuine, it-all-hits-the-fan situation, who do we think the military is going to support?

Obama and his cronies?

The military in which 85% of the personnel hate the guy’s guts? The military that he and his cronies have spent the last 6 1/2 years belittling, denigrating, insulting, and emasculating? The military whose morale he has destroyed through social engineering (gays in the military, etc.)? The military whose personnel he cannot even gin up enough respect for to salute them back when they do their duty? The military in which chaplains who speak in Jesus Christ’s name (who the large majority profess to believe in) are hounded and drummed out? The military which has a C-in-C who curries and caters to the Muslims that we have spend the last ten years fighting?

THAT military?

The ones who took an oath to protect and defend the *Constitution*, not the President personally?

Do we *really* think that military is going to just go along with rampaging through American neighbourhoods arresting gun owners or people who disagree with the President or whatever else?


16 posted on 04/05/2015 2:58:02 AM PDT by Yashcheritsiy (It's time to repeal and replace the GOP)
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To: Yashcheritsiy

Being one who believes what the Bible says, and how God’s plan for us includes the entire world becoming a cesspool, I also believe that we will not win other than some small victories. I would love to have President Cruz as a victory to be able to hang my hat on as we wend our way into the sewers before He returns to defeat the evil that the Left aids and abets as a matter of “principle”.


17 posted on 04/05/2015 3:24:44 AM PDT by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: Publius; PGalt; E.G.C.
Ping to my #12.

18 posted on 04/05/2015 4:15:08 AM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion ('Liberalism' is a conspiracy against the public by wire-service journalism.)
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To: conservatism_IS_compassion

BTTT


19 posted on 04/05/2015 4:37:29 AM PDT by E.G.C.
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To: Publius

Peacefully possible?

No.

But still possible.


20 posted on 04/05/2015 7:50:33 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (A Psalm in napalm...)
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