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Fundamental Concepts – Guess what Conservatives? We can't win [Weirddave]
Ace of Spades HQ ^ | April 4, 2015 | Open Blogger

Posted on 04/04/2015 11:38:36 AM PDT by Bratch

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1 posted on 04/04/2015 11:38:36 AM PDT by Bratch
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To: Bratch

The problem with going third party is all the spineless “conservative” cowards who are too afraid to try, so they fallback on the Sisyphean “we have to reform the GOP from the inside!”

Ain’t gonna happen, folks.

If all the millions of so-called conservatives out there who *say* they’re mad at the GOP actually left and formed a third party, and joined with the other millions of conservatives and liberty lovers who have *already left* the GOP, you’d have something right there that would have a good shot at ending the GOP and replacing it.

But “we can’t do that, because third parties never win!”

Self-fulfilling prophecies are always the worst ones.


2 posted on 04/04/2015 11:43:48 AM PDT by Yashcheritsiy (It's time to repeal and replace the GOP)
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To: Bratch
That's life, that's what people say
You're riding high in April,
Shot down in May
But I know I'm gonna change that tune,
When I'm back on top, back on top in June

...

...

That's life, that's life
And I can't deny it
Many times I thought of cuttin' out but my heart won't buy it
But if there's nothing shakin' come here this July
I'm gonna roll myself up in a big ball and die ...

3 posted on 04/04/2015 11:45:47 AM PDT by x
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To: 14themunny; 21stCenturion; 300magnum; A Strict Constructionist; abigail2; AdvisorB; Aggie Mama; ...
I'm not completely sure if this is correct for a Federalist/Anti-Federalist ping, but it's one of most thought provoking articles posted on FR in a long while.

It's about entropy, the climate for conservative change and whether that change is reasonably possible at all.

4 posted on 04/04/2015 11:49:20 AM PDT by Publius ("Who is John Galt?" by Billthedrill and Publius now available at Amazon.)
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To: x

A great song, great record.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zoXLKgX0MgU


5 posted on 04/04/2015 11:54:36 AM PDT by Canedawg (Panem et circenses)
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To: Bratch

Yeah what was the point to fight the war of America’s first Revolution against the world’s greatest super power at the time in the 1700s, the British, yeah, it’s a lost cause, we could not beat the British. Sarcasm


6 posted on 04/04/2015 12:35:22 PM PDT by American Constitutionalist (The Keystone Pipe like Project : build it already Congress)
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To: Bratch

I think the error with this essay is a lack of historical context. And that can be uncomfortable viewing, but the end result is hopeful.

To start with, conservatives today are not like Goldwater conservatives, because the world is a very different place today than it was then. Nobody but radical leftists (well, maybe Putin) is upset that the Soviet Union collapsed.

The radical leftists in the US back then were *so* far left that they supported Soviet gulags, and wanted a US even more brutal, like Red Khmer Cambodia. They were hardcore fanatics like Angela Davis. The worst that can be said of today’s leftists, with a few exceptions, is that they are more like Mensheviks. Weakling socialists with profoundly naive and stupid ideas.

The Democrats have become little more than the part of sin, from the seven deadly sins to petty nuisance sin. That is their campaign platform, with no deep thought behind it.

Conversely, Republicans are now divided into the various flavors of conservatism, which overlap considerably, and the Whig-style Republicans, the current leadership, who have power but no will or spine.

With continued erosion, there really is no future for the Whigs. One way or another, they and their cronies have no future in the Republican party, because though they have deep pockets, their only platform is to stop conservatives from ascending to power, just to protect their cronies.

If Jeb Bush is elected, the truth is that he will carry the day with fewer than 10,000 wealthy contributors. Literally nobody other than they wants what he wants. There is no joy or hope in that. “Jeb will fill a much needed gap” is hardly a winning campaign slogan.

Yet the time of the Whigs is running out. With each election, at all levels, their numbers are decreasing. This last election, the Empire struck back, but it is losing the war. And the fewer there are, the more concentrated the efforts of conservatives are against them.


7 posted on 04/04/2015 12:37:26 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy ("Don't compare me to the almighty, compare me to the alternative." -Obama, 09-24-11)
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To: Bratch

Sisyphus... indeed...


8 posted on 04/04/2015 1:12:40 PM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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To: Bratch
In Book III of Machiavelli's Discourses on Livy, he devotes a chapter to how the Roman Republic renewed itself when necessary and lasted some 450 years.

The confederal American Republic ended in 1913, after only 125 years. It is way past time to trash the subsequent democratic republic and return to our structural beginnings.

We can do the same as the Romans. Article V to repeal the 17A and reclaim the federal republic. There is no substitute.

9 posted on 04/04/2015 1:40:12 PM PDT by Jacquerie (Article V. If not now, when?)
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To: Bratch

Dismal prediction I don’t agree with, although it does contain a lot of useful information.


10 posted on 04/04/2015 2:01:41 PM PDT by ZULU (Je Suis Charlie. . GET IT OBAMA, OR DON'T YOU??)
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To: Publius
Entropy.

What America is experiencing now.

Thanks for the BEEP!

11 posted on 04/04/2015 3:28:10 PM PDT by YHAOS
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To: Jacquerie
I, too, have a vision for the renewal of the Republic. Seemingly, one less Sisyphusian than other approaches. Or perhaps, a realistic way of making the other needful things less impossible.

We must tame “the media.” Lots of luck, right? But what if a civil suit could bring it to book? That wouldn’t even require a single Republican politician. What would such a suit allege?


12 posted on 04/04/2015 6:41:29 PM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion ('Liberalism' is a conspiracy against the public by wire-service journalism.)
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To: Yashcheritsiy

Hes right the fight against the political greed for power is a unceasing one. But his supposed inflection points such as the Reagan revolution while they do happen, as he pointed out they clearly don’t accomplish much but buy a little time if that. Add to that and they only happen after democrats screwing things up so bad that we have no choice, even then they don’t fix the problem so we still lose ground over all and in the end the result is the same dictatorship.

Its really just a question of how much of our culture and demographic legacy we lose before we get there and to the next revolution.

Maybe letting it all collapse will end in dictatorship, maybe we can’t form a white army strong enough as to insure some part of our country remains free. But from the ashes of tyranny we have the seed of of a new revolution written in the cultural legacy of freedom provided that legacy still exist, and is not completely destroyed by forgoing centuries of leftist progressive tyranny.


13 posted on 04/04/2015 7:47:44 PM PDT by Monorprise
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To: Bratch

Of course we can win. But people like this make it more difficult.


14 posted on 04/04/2015 9:52:48 PM PDT by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: Yashcheritsiy

Someone has to lead the way.


15 posted on 04/04/2015 9:53:25 PM PDT by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: Monorprise

Let’s ask ourselves the obvious question - in the event of a genuine, it-all-hits-the-fan situation, who do we think the military is going to support?

Obama and his cronies?

The military in which 85% of the personnel hate the guy’s guts? The military that he and his cronies have spent the last 6 1/2 years belittling, denigrating, insulting, and emasculating? The military whose morale he has destroyed through social engineering (gays in the military, etc.)? The military whose personnel he cannot even gin up enough respect for to salute them back when they do their duty? The military in which chaplains who speak in Jesus Christ’s name (who the large majority profess to believe in) are hounded and drummed out? The military which has a C-in-C who curries and caters to the Muslims that we have spend the last ten years fighting?

THAT military?

The ones who took an oath to protect and defend the *Constitution*, not the President personally?

Do we *really* think that military is going to just go along with rampaging through American neighbourhoods arresting gun owners or people who disagree with the President or whatever else?


16 posted on 04/05/2015 2:58:02 AM PDT by Yashcheritsiy (It's time to repeal and replace the GOP)
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To: Yashcheritsiy

Being one who believes what the Bible says, and how God’s plan for us includes the entire world becoming a cesspool, I also believe that we will not win other than some small victories. I would love to have President Cruz as a victory to be able to hang my hat on as we wend our way into the sewers before He returns to defeat the evil that the Left aids and abets as a matter of “principle”.


17 posted on 04/05/2015 3:24:44 AM PDT by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: Publius; PGalt; E.G.C.
Ping to my #12.

18 posted on 04/05/2015 4:15:08 AM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion ('Liberalism' is a conspiracy against the public by wire-service journalism.)
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To: conservatism_IS_compassion

BTTT


19 posted on 04/05/2015 4:37:29 AM PDT by E.G.C.
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To: Publius

Peacefully possible?

No.

But still possible.


20 posted on 04/05/2015 7:50:33 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (A Psalm in napalm...)
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