Posted on 04/04/2015 9:07:40 PM PDT by Kevin in California
It disgusts me that we have to pay for “3 hots & a cot” for this garbage for 25 years, then pay someone to monitor him for the rest of his life.
Had I been the judge & had the authority to do so, I would have sentenced him to immediate death.
I understand the meaning of father’s words, but sexual deviates may actually enjoy the recreational activities of prison life. Yes, I’ve heard that pedophiles are reviled by other prisoners, but since we rarely execute anyone,our prisons are increasingly being filled with the most vile characters as mere thieves & thugs are routinely set free - en masse.
We know this guy is queer. If he is a masochist he may actually enjoy the abuse.
Not vigilante justice, for sure, but with regards to sentencing someone to death after a trial and conviction, that was fine. It’s all a question of not letting society become a place where everyone is their own self appointed judge, jury, and executioner.
So, where does "Father, forgive them .. they don't know what they're doing" fit into your understanding?
Well, even Jesus condemned an abuser as deserving a date worse than a millstone (1 ton stone for grinding wheat) tied to the abuser’s neck with the abuser dragged to the bottom of the ocean. That is pretty brutal, but any honest reading shows that Jesus wasn’t a good case of tough love, not abusive, but he really did care. In Leviticus, while the death penalty is authorized, one must convict a person by trial first in order to do so. Also, one must also not, even in Jewish tradition continue to hold a grudge against the family and friends of the perp, or become a self-appointed judge, jury, and executioner.
Are you Jesus?
I thought not.
Happy Easter.
He also said, “an eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth”
Some states barely punish child molesters.
He is risen!
Happy Easter to you too.
He’s (he is) is two words.
25 (twenty five) is two words.
Some of us disagree. You’re entitled to your facts, I’ll stick with mine. It’s actually a simple semantic distinction. Raising the point in the first place is, at best, pedantic, at worst, worse.
Re: “Everyone of us would probably react as this father did - I know some on here have lots of bitterness in their hearts, but we must forgive those = and, yes those who don’t ask for it. In doing so no root of bitterness springs up in US - it’s for OUR benefit. God will deal with the perps.”
I hear what you are saying and I have been taught/heard the same view about forgiveness countless times in my church and from other Chtistians. But, my study of the scriptures does not demonstrate to me that forgiveness works this way. - at least in my understanding of what the scriptures teach. I ask that you hear me out.
Yes, Jesus and Stephen both asked God to forgive those who were killing them - an act of God given graciousness on their part that only God can give us. And, you are right that we are to pray for those who abuse and persecute us, to even be willing to “bless them and not curse” - but, that is still not forgiveness.
The more apropos example is the 70 times 70 passage. Jesus teaches us to forgive every time someone asks, just as God has forgiven us so much. Here’s the crucial point - and this applies to human forgiveness and God-given forgiveness- confession, repentance, and requesting forgiveness precedes real forgiveness. Without that, there is no real forgiveness possible. Forgiveness is restoration of a relationship between us and another person who has wronged us or we wronged them..
When it comes to forgiveness from God - If we do not repent and ask God’s forgiveness - in our pre-salvation state - we are not forgiven. We face His judgment.
God does not ask us to do something that He doesn’t do Homself. God is always WILLING to forgive, and He expects us to also to do the same.
But, true, restoration/forgiveness cannot take place until it is requested by the one who wronged the other.
On the other hand, we CAN and MUST, even though true forgiveness may never happen between us and the one who wronged us, we can let go of that anger and hurt that we received unjustly, we can let go of our animosity toward the one who wronged us - we can “release” our claim of being wronged to God, and leave it with Him. Otherwise, we will have a “root of bitterness” grow inside us. And, of course, this is not want God wants us to be.
Someone might say, well how is that different from forgiveness. Aren’t we just speaking in semantics? No, I don’t think so, because from God’s own example, though He is willing to forgive, true forgiveness doesn’t happen until we turn to Him, or to those we have wronged, and confess what we did, repent of what we did, and ask forgiveness. Then and only then can real forgiveness take place.
He is going to learn in the next twenty five years why I let him live.
Whatever.
16 words.
Jesus prayed for God not to hold their sin against them but those are the same people who before that had told Pilate “let his blood be on us and on our children. “
They were granted their wish, as these same people were destroyed in the fall of Jerusalem years later.
Jesus said, “Forgive others as you have been forgiven.” That means repentance is required.
“Forgiveness, really, is NOT for the benefit of the person(s) being forgiven.”
Please cite a relevant biblical example of this principle. I don’t think the bible teaches what you wrote.
Someone is confusing words and syllables.
I don’t mean that we as humans can forgive other people’s sins - we cannot - only God can forgive sins - but, we can not let anger, and bitterness grow up within our own hearts for the wrongs done to us. Our telling someone we forgive them, doesn’t resolve their issues with God - they must all seek His forgiveness for sin - It just means that we don’t hold any hard feelings toward the person who wronged us - not that we can absolve their sins.
It’s prison rap
Jail is a different animal
In an urban area it’s worse in my view
Alice Baker is Aryan Brotherhood in military parlance of AB
could be able baker too could have Anyhow
The Brand or ABs mostly
In the Feds largely leaderless now but strong in Texas and Kali still
Muy peligroso
This is not a case of stopping a crime in flagrante delicto. Try again.
No, unless he repents he has taught his son to find refuge in Satan.
Check out the book of Jonah. The forgiveness extended to Nineveh, which Jonah absolutely wished would not occur, is quite explicitly for the sake of God. God likened it to the gourd plant under which Jonah found shade. It opens up an avenue to repentance that selfish vengeance could close with a barrier marked “every man for himself.”
But you notice that not all your repentance has been done and yet Jesus has already forgiven you.
If you want an impossible God, then you use sophistry.
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