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Will the GOP rethink its ‘traditional values’ high ground?
Washington Post ^ | April 8, 2015 | Charles Lane

Posted on 04/09/2015 8:42:53 AM PDT by C19fan

Indianapolis may go down in history as the Gettysburg of the culture wars, the place where forces flying the flags of modernism, diversity and individual rights outflanked the would-be upholders of traditional values, forced them into a tactical retreat — and maybe even set them on the road to long-term defeat.

Not since Pickett’s Charge has a group of Americans misjudged their strategic situation more completely than did Gov. Mike Pence and his fellow Republican backers of Indiana’s religious freedom restoration law. They thought they could define conscientious objection to same-sex marriage as the moral high ground, then seize it; they thought wrong.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: gop; social; values
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1 posted on 04/09/2015 8:42:53 AM PDT by C19fan
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WP Admits Moral Values are the High Ground.


2 posted on 04/09/2015 8:44:54 AM PDT by Uncle Miltie (I want the Halal butcher to cut up my pig. If he doesn't, I'm filing charges.)
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To: C19fan

WP Admits Non-Traditional Values are the Gutter.


3 posted on 04/09/2015 8:45:27 AM PDT by Uncle Miltie (I want the Halal butcher to cut up my pig. If he doesn't, I'm filing charges.)
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That is Rand Paul’s political agenda.

“”Evolve, adapt or die. That is the fate of our current Republican party. We must evolve as a party and find a way to attract millennials to the conservative movement or we will never succeed in realizing our ideals of individual freedom and freedom from government interference.””

“I think that the Republican Party, in order to get bigger, will have to agree to disagree on social issues,” Paul advised. “The Republican Party is not going to give up on having quite a few people who do believe in traditional marriage. But the Republican Party also has to find a place for young people and others who don’t want to be festooned by those issues.”


4 posted on 04/09/2015 8:46:15 AM PDT by ansel12 (Palin--Mr President, the only thing that stops a bad guy with a nuke is a good guy with a nuke.)
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5 posted on 04/09/2015 8:47:49 AM PDT by deoetdoctrinae (Become a monthly donor and END FREEPATHONS!)
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They thought they could define conscientious objection to same-sex marriage as the moral high ground, then seize it; they thought wrong.

What they left out is that decent people have to be willing to articulate why these moral values are the high ground. It's not enough to say that following the Bill of Rights and respecting freedom of religion is a good thing. We have to explain why honoring those values is more important than accommodating some shrill activist who wants to compel a pizza parlor to cater a gay "wedding" against their will.

6 posted on 04/09/2015 8:48:15 AM PDT by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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Will the WaPo abandon its “low ground”?

There is no level below which a liberal journalist (is there any other kind) will not go.


7 posted on 04/09/2015 8:48:45 AM PDT by Da Coyote
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The RINO EXEMPT had better start worrying about PROTECTING THE CONSTITUTION and the people from tyranny. All this social crap is clouding the real important matters when it comes to this Republic.


8 posted on 04/09/2015 8:49:01 AM PDT by EagleUSA (Liberalism removes the significance of everything.)
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The author’s “victory” might have its best days behind it and it may turn out to be a Pyrrhic conquest in 2016. Ted Cruz could turn this whole thing into something the Dems want not part of claiming victory.


9 posted on 04/09/2015 8:51:42 AM PDT by T-Bird45 (It feels like the seventies, and it shouldn't.)
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To: C19fan

Mr. Lane lives in a Beltway cocoon.


10 posted on 04/09/2015 8:52:48 AM PDT by Forgotten Amendments (Peace On Earth! Purity of Essence! McCain/Ripper 2016)
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To: ansel12

No oddPaul for president.

It is time to Cruz to victory.


11 posted on 04/09/2015 8:54:41 AM PDT by hoosierham (Freedom isn't free)
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I am ashamed of Mike Pence and the Indiana RINO massive cave-in.


12 posted on 04/09/2015 8:55:25 AM PDT by hoosierham (Freedom isn't free)
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RE :”Not since Pickett’s Charge has a group of Americans misjudged their strategic situation more completely than did Gov. Mike Pence and his fellow Republican backers of Indiana’s religious freedom restoration law. They thought they could define conscientious objection to same-sex marriage as the moral high ground, then seize it; they thought wrong.”

No, they thought they could have it both ways, play to the GOP so-con base while the lib opposition wouldn't notice it and raise hell, which they did successfully.

That's why it wasn't a private signing.

That's why they had no backup plan, their backup plan was surrender.

13 posted on 04/09/2015 8:59:06 AM PDT by sickoflibs (King Obama : 'The debate is over. The time for talk is over. Just follow my commands you serfs""')
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Good re-write.


14 posted on 04/09/2015 9:00:35 AM PDT by MinstrelBoy (If you're a conservative today, you're a hero.)
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To: ansel12

So basically he’s saying to become more like Democrats, yeah that’s a real winning strategy....NOT!


15 posted on 04/09/2015 9:01:26 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: ansel12

The night before His crucifixion, Jesus prays for His followers to His Father in heaven,”I have given them Your word: and the world has hated them because they are not of the world, just as I am not of the world. I do not pray that You should take them out of the world, but that You should keep them from the Evil One.” (John 17: 14,15)

Jesus still prays that His children should stand firm in the faith against the Evil One and his followers in this sinful world. It will be worth it, as St. Paul wrote, “The sufferings of this present age are not worth comparing to the glory which shall be revealed to us.” (Romans 8:18)


16 posted on 04/09/2015 9:03:18 AM PDT by txrefugee
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842 grand donated to Memories Pizza begs to differ.


17 posted on 04/09/2015 9:06:08 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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Democrats have the conceit that their party is not concerned with social issues and morality. They are greatly concerned...just with their social issues and "morality."

What party is making a big stink about some pizzeria owners, florists, etc. who won't cater a homo wedding? Why it's those non-social issues concerned Dems...the big hypocrites.

What Dems (and some RINOs) want is the whole field of p.c. social issues dominated by liberals Democrats. Everybody else is to shut up or be condemned.

18 posted on 04/09/2015 9:13:37 AM PDT by driftless2 (For long term happiness, learn how to play the accordion.)
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forces flying the flags of modernism, diversity and individual rights outflanked the would-be upholders of traditional values, forced them into a tactical retreat — and maybe even set them on the road to long-term defeat.

And that's something to CELEBRATE???? What the hell do you think is the glue that holds this society together? If we dispense with all those pesky "traditional values," what do you imagine is going to replace them? And in the anarchic melee that emerges, who do you think is going to suffer the most, the strong (conservatives) or the weak (fags, race hustlers, socialist redistributionists)?

Short-sighted idiots!

19 posted on 04/09/2015 9:15:17 AM PDT by IronJack
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What they left out is that decent people have to be willing to articulate why these moral values are the high ground. It's not enough to say that following the Bill of Rights and respecting freedom of religion is a good thing. We have to explain why honoring those values is more important than accommodating some shrill activist who wants to compel a pizza parlor to cater a gay "wedding" against their will.

Decent people--i.e. principled Conservatives--need to be able to make both Constitutional arguments, and explain why private property owners have the right to use their property according to their lights of conscience; indeed, need to be able to explain why there is a natural right to employ the fruits of their labor & the multi-generational achievements of their families, according to those lights of conscience.

The idea of the Left defining a "moral high ground" is, of course, laughable. The whole movement to dictate how private property owners employ their property, or with whom they may associate, involves statist coercion, not morality. It is much the same as the way that they confuse charity--which is a voluntary giving of individuals of that which those individuals have earned--with confiscation of the fruits of other people's labor.

For a direct challenge to the whole doctrine of Governmental efforts to force egalitarian/collectivist business decisions against what were always property rights in the era when we built up America, rather than tore down her achievers: "Civil Rights" vs. A Free People.

20 posted on 04/09/2015 9:15:53 AM PDT by Ohioan
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