Obama and Congress reach deal over Iran nuclear talks

BBC News ^ | 04/14/15 | staff

[Art in Idaho]

I'm so damn mad I could just spit. I just heard now they gave Cuba the green light, took them off the terror list. . Something every day. . We have surrendered. . Or not? . . How much longer do We the People take this? How much longer do we let them doom our grandchildren and the children yet unborn in America to a life of tyrannical socialism?

[Art in Idaho]

As I just understood Earnest he said there would not be an up or down vote. . like this 'replaces' the Treaty Clause of the Constitution? Daily making their own rules and laws. .

[Genoa]

Up or down as in simple majority? What about this is not a treaty??

[SueRae]

Don’t get me wrong..I’m relieved to see pushback. I just don’t understand why we need a bill to do that. Put the treaty on the table and vote on it.

[Art in Idaho]

Up or down as in simple majority? What about this is not a treaty??

That's what I thought. That's what I heard from Earnest. He also said it with glee. . 'We won' again. . Will have to check the news later. I tell ya', if this whole deal is a give-away deal meant to replace the Treaty Clause in the Constitution then we have some serious thinking to do. .

[Art in Idaho]

Looks like he’s about fed up!

Him and I would guess Now about 200 million Americans!

[Genoa]

Well just wait until the Supreme Court gets wind of this! They’ll . . . uh . . . .

[EternalVigilance]

So, Iran says ‘death to America,’ ‘death to Israel.’ Obama says, ‘we’ll meet you halfway.’ The Republicans respond with ‘a practical plan to phase in death to America and Israel in two easy stages.’

[Art in Idaho]

Well just wait until the Supreme Court gets wind of this! They’ll . . . uh . . . .

Yeah, they'll do nothing. We no longer have three functional branches of the Federal Government. It's only Obama and whatever he wants. Is this what the Founders envisioned? Are we going to continue to go along with this tyranny?

[zzeeman]

Been listening to Mark Levin cover this at the top of his show:

Mark Levin EXPOSES how US Senate just GUTTED constitutional treaty power and GAVE IT TO OBAMA

Audio at this link.

[Art in Idaho]

The Treaty Clause of the Constitution

The President... shall have Power, by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, to make Treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present concur....

ARTICLE II, SECTION 2, CLAUSE 2

Heritage Foundation Treaty Clause

From the link: "The Treaty Clause has a number of striking features. It gives the Senate, in James Madison's terms, a "partial agency" in the President's foreign-relations power. The clause requires a supermajority (two-thirds) of the Senate for approval of a treaty, but it gives the House of Representatives, representing the "people," no role in the process."

"Midway through the Constitutional Convention, a working draft had assigned the treaty-making power to the Senate, but the Framers, apparently considering the traditional role of a nation-state's executive in making treaties, changed direction and gave the power to the President, but with the proviso of the Senate's "Advice and Consent." In a formal sense, then, treaty-making became a mixture of executive and legislative power. Most people of the time recognized the actual conduct of diplomacy as an executive function, but under Article VI treaties were, like statutes, part of the "supreme Law of the Land."

Can't wait to hear from Lee, Cruz and Rubio on this.

[Chauncey Uppercrust]

In return Obama turning over his missing school records

[combat_boots]

You approve an outline? Huh?

How many sub-paragraphs and UCC sections are we talking about?

[zzeeman]

Ping to post #50 Art, I have a link to the audio of Levin covering this at the top of the show.

[kingattax]

would you care to expand that comment please ?

[Gritty]

Wow! Does this mean Boehner and McConnell outfoxed Obama - who in turn outfoxed the Ayatollahs?

It simply doesn't get any better than this for America!

[Art in Idaho]

Thanks for posting. Mark on fire. For those of you who can't listen now, go to: Mark Levin Audio Rewind Today's show (and every day) available after about 6:30 Pacific. Go Mark!

[SecondAmendment]

Huh ?
Since when does a bill that makes it out of committe mean it was passed by the Senate ?

However, what is newsworthy about the bill, is that Rubio and Paul voted for it!

[SecondAmendment]

Rubio voted for it, he is on the foreign relations committee, along with Rand Paul.

[Art in Idaho]

Rubio voted for it, he is on the foreign relations committee, along with Rand Paul.

I'm all ears Marco and Rand. Want to really hear from Lee and Cruz. BTW, just received Mike Lee's new book, "Our Lost Constitution." A great read and so appropriate now.