Posted on 04/20/2015 5:01:58 PM PDT by xzins
Check my Comment #100 for some cases of why and also about differences in twins.
>> As Sprigg observes, “If it was not clear in the 1990’s, it certainly is now — no one is ‘born gay.’”
An neither is one born a murderer...
The “born that way” crock is thoroughly farcical as the Left gives no mercy to the unborn.
And there’s the “natural” argument. Well, war is “natural” as is disease... so what now?
It’s about sodomy, and nothing more. Love? No. It’s not about love. Love doesn’t require sodomy, nor sex of any kind.
That's easy. Its the sea change in public opinion the past few years especially with those ~ 30 and younger.
Rubio is picking up on Ron Paul's strategy, to try to appeal to them. (as he did with illegals). Of course Rubio is not a libertarian, he is neo-con. But so is pro-gay Dick Cheney.
To answer otherwise is to ‘blame the victim’ and have a fire-storm of ridicule and attacks from the media.
If it were me I would turn the whole argument around and ask why we must grant civil rights to a new victim class who is/are defined solely by their claimed feelings, which is equivalent to civil rights for certain behaviors, ones that were always unacceptable.
Strictly non-professional observations on my part and include some acquaintances/friends.
Yes, some unfortunate people who suffer from a traumatic sexual incident with a criminally-minded adult can get twisted enough to become one themselves I guess. Any kind of sexual assault can scar anybody for life and make them do weird things sexually.
But I'd say that's probably a very small pct. of homosexuals. Most stories about homosexuals I've read have them saying that at a very young age they felt different from people of their own sex. Nobody coerced them into homosexual relationships.
If factors during birth aren't important, why are so many male homosexuals effeminate and so many females mannish? Even many heterosexuals like myself can readily spot a likely homosexual. My wife and I play the "spot the homosexual" game when we're watching tv shows with people on game shows like "Wheel Of Fortune." Many times we're right.
Certainly not all homosexuals exhibit traits of the opposite sex, but enough do to make it more than likely they're not making a choice...it's something they were born with. I don't believe in the genetic factor either. The hormonal malfunction theory is the most logical to me.
So you think there’s absolutely no way that homosexuals can’t be naturally attracted to each other? Do you believe heterosexuals are naturally attracted to people of the opposite sex, or do you think they make a choice?
Sexual attraction is NOT an immutable trait...otherwise Deblasio’s ex-lesbian wife wouldnt have any kids.
I believe that homosexuals have simply learned that in their worldview willing males are one acceptable outlet for sexual release.
I saw that tweet.
I don’t believe it’s true.
It doesn’t matter. Even if the are born that way, it is still a disorder. When a child is born with diabetes, we do not say that God made them that way and celebrate it. We treat the diabetes. In this sinful and fallen world, people are born with disorders (dont get me wrong, I do not think they are born that way, but even if they are its a fallacious argument)
Rom 1:31 Without understanding, covenant breakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
Rom 1:32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.
I agree. I assume lots of men and women want to have sex but that doesn’t make it helpful. In fact, it would be harmful. Solomon with his gazillion wives was destructive to those women...and to him. I’ve not doubt he would have been far better off with one woman who loved him and he her.
It would make the truth of God into a lie. Is that reason enough to reject your proposition?
Excellent Point! :-)
10-4!
Whether they be bugs, birds or beagles, the members of the Animal Kingdom are naturally attracted to the opposite sex.
There is a biological reason that heterosexuals are attracted to the opposite sex, there is no such reason for same sex attraction. Homosexual behavior is simply mutual masterbation in order to achieve an orgasim.
From Post 3
“A fascinating sidelight on all this comes from the work of Bailey (7). His team asked non-concordant identical twins (one was homosexual, one not) about their early family environment, and found that the same family environment was experienced or perceived by the twins in quite different ways. These differences led later to homosexuality in one twin, but not in the other.”
No, the writer isn’t 100% wrong. Aside from the fact that you’re arguing with the wrong person — the messenger rather than the research that he cites — what needs to be clarified is that the use of “choice” in the argument doesn’t (and shouldn’t) mean that somebody spontaneously decides to engage in homosexual behavior (not that this never happens, but it’s extremely rare). The environmental factors create the compulsion, which is deeply rooted psychologically (not a conscious choice). The choice comes when the person recognizes the compulsion in themselves and decides whether to embrace it or combat it.
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