Posted on 04/22/2015 2:49:01 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
I have never advocated that we send agents door to door to kick illegals out.
You get them to leave by clamping down on businesses and taking away freebies.
You put them on notice that any assets they have will be confiscated if they don’t leave inside 24 months. Then you sit back and watch them leave.
You close down the border by swamping it with troops and as it comes back under control, you reduce the levels again.
You keep stiff inland enforcement on the interior, institute fines and business confiscation for repeat offenders. Fine private individuals heavily too, if they are found to be employing illegals.
You also go after renters.
Cities that refuse to comply with federal law have their federal dollars cut off for police, education, and other things.
Make it a real pain to continue to be a sanctuary city.
The end.
You don’t have the voting constituency for a plan like that. Ike’s not the President any more. I get the issues, but there isn’t a road to that solution. We need to be realistic. If you don’t win, you can’t play.
Tell me how we won under Bush?
The man handed off a crumbling nation, and so damaged Conservatism that a man of Obama’s caliber was elected.
The citizens of this nation want illegal immigration ended.
You are buying into a lot of Leftist propaganda if you think this issue isn’t front and center right now.
I can tell you first hand, there are tens of millions os Hispanics in this nation that are as fed up as U. S. Citizens are.
Whose jobs are the first ones taken by illegals? It’s the legal immigrant who has gotten a foothold in society, and is then replaced by people living three or more families to a home willing to work for dirt wages the legal can’t agree to because he has a young mortgage.
Our people have misread this dynamic for decades.
It will all come out in the wash.
This is my prediction:
Walker will win Iowa. Walker will win New Hampshire. Cruz will win South Carolina but Walker will take second place. Walker will win Florida......from then I am not sure. I think I am pretty darn close to what will happen. It will come down to Walker vs Cruz but I think Walker will ultimately take the nomination because of a few things. Number 1 his obvious results. Second is he has that “one of us” type personality. Number 3 is he does not have a degree which 75 percent of the country doesn’t...that will actually help with blue collar voters especially since he didn’t go to an elite school to begin with. Number 4 is he is a Governor. Yep I know here that is just awful but to the 99.9 percent of the rest of the voters that matters this time around.
We are such a small segment of the voting population that I think we are in a bubble but real live people actually find Walker the best of the bunch and I am glad that they do.
Alito which will help us for decades to come and yes Roberts to a smaller extent. The Supreme Court is most important and thank God for President Bush. He did well even though we had to force it on him.
What about GOP voters?
You’re going to hear a lot about polls that show Republicans are in favor of decreasing legal immigration levels. Indeed, some polls seem to show this. But the way these polls are worded makes a big difference.
Gallup discovered in 2014 that 50 percent of Republicans support a decrease in immigration, but the question didn’t specify legal or illegal immigration. A different poll from Fox News put 67 percent of Republicans in favor of a decrease in legal immigration. Case closed, right? While that poll definitely suggests that there are GOP voters who are sympathetic to cutting legal immigration, it also didn’t give respondents the option of saying they’d keep legal immigration levels constant.
When you do offer respondents that option and ask specifically about legal immigration, a majority of Republicans have not been in favor of decreasing immigration levels. A Pew Research Center survey from May 2013 found 53 percent of self-identified Republicans wanted legal immigration levels either increased (20 percent) or kept constant (33 percent). A CBS News poll from April 2013 found that 60 percent of Republicans wanted legal immigration levels either increased (22 percent) or kept constant (38 percent). And conservative Republicans were about as likely as liberal and moderate Republicans to favor maintaining or increasing legal immigration levels, according to the Pew survey.
From here: http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/scott-walkers-legal-immigration-faux-pas/
Carter, Clinton, Bush...
Even our own guy wound up being a disaster.
Let me ask you this. Do you think Obama loves this country?
Walker does. Do you know a single Conservative that does?
I don’t know one.
Your extrapolation may be very accurate.
Enjoy the hundreds of thousands of illegals and their chain immigration additions to our nation. That’s within ten years.
Bush enabled Obama to become president. Without the economic melt-down Obama would never have gained traction.
Lessons unlearned...
I don’t care if Walker thinks Obama loves America. That really doesn’t matter after January 2017. I could care less quite frankly. I want a President who is going to get the job done and not have stupid slogans and nonsense that does not matter. That is really all I want.
I think it was more of the news media lying about how we were getting killed by the millions in Iraq every night on the news not stop for four years.
I can’t speak for all Republicans or even for all Conservatives, but I do believe folks are waking up to the reality that this nation is being swamped with tens of thousands of foreign nationals at different locations around the nation.
Ten thousand Syrians are going to be dumped on Texas and nearby states, if I recall the details accurately.
None of us is against the traditional request to immigrate here, legal transition to citizenship. I think many of us do object to the federal government swamping towns and even regions with vast numbers in addition to normal immigration.
Those refugee status imports are ridiculous.
I think folks are aware of this and want everything stopped for a while.
Loved his statement. I want to see him make a statement just as loud and clear about illegal immigration. Come on, Scott. Have you changed your position on that? Inquiring minds want to know.
You know, you don’t care if he lies. You don’t care if he turns illegals into legal residents. You don’t care if upwards of 30 million illegals are allowed to bring over relatives under chain migration. You don’t care if he is so screwed up his thinks Obama loves this nation.
Pray tell, what do you care about?
I don’t know one Conservative who thinks Obama loves this nation.
That sails right over your head. He is NOT one of us.
I think there was some serious panic in this nation in the fall of 2008. There was talk of trillion dollar bail outs. McCain was saying that nobody needed to fear Obama. Banks were failing, and not just the little ones. Fanny Mae and Freddy Mac...
Jobs were cratering. Businesses where shuttering.
Bush looked like a deer in the headlights.
The wind up to a Republican administration leaving that kind of a mess, heck, I can see plenty of reasons for folks not to want the R. P. in control after that.
I will also add that traditionally for over 40 years we had added 9.5% employment every four years. Think about that.
During the Bush two terms, we added less than 2%. (I beleive it was 1%, but I don’t want to take the time to look it up again on my computer) new jobs.
During Bush’s two terms we should have added about 19% to our work force. We feel short by 17 to 18%.
Normal increases in population mean that we have to be adding all those new jobs to keep full employment.
There were a lot of people falling through the cracks. Our import and outsourcing didn’t help.
Folks blamed the guy in charge. I don’t think it was all his fault, but he didn’t speak up forcefully enough either.
He could have raised hell about the impending melt-down and demanded changes. His own party was in charge of Capital Hill for six years.
I don’t care what Walker thinks about the subject. I care what Walker actually does. As long as he gets results he has my full support. I am done with politicians who talk but can’t accomplish a dang thing.
If you can put together a voting block of 51%, then you have winner. Otherwise, it’s just a waste of time.
LOL
Bush accomplished a lot too. And his supporters swore he was a Conservative.
Once again, do you know one person here who thinks Obama loves this nation?
You wouldn’t get one person on Capital Hill to say he doesn’t.
Which group does Scott most closely match then?
Thanks for the mention.
Actually President Bush had a hard 8 years. First of all when the Democrats had the House and Senate, they constantly battled him. He had 9/11, Katrina, two wars, and a host of other things. President Obama has had it easy in comparison. So what if the economy tanked in 2008. It sure has recovered. The economy is cyclical. Heck when Reagan was President we had a recession. No big deal. We will have another recession within 10 years for sure and then another after that.
Bush had a Republican Senate and House from January 2001 until January 2007.
It was known that we had a huge problem brewing in the over-extended loans area. The Left and courts were forcing lending institutions into making loans the borrowers couldn’t possibly pay back. Massive defaults nearly brought our nation down.
Bush, even with his own crew didn’t voice loud vocal opposition or try to fix it.
Yes Bush was kept busy. What president isn’t?
That doesn’t excuse him from acting like a Leftist all too often. It doesn’t excuse him for pretending to be a Conservative so that when the melt-down did take place Conservatism wouldn’t be damaged by it.
The media played him off as a Conservative, and most of the nation agreed. This allowed a whole generation to wonder what the heck a Conservative actually believed.
His dad, Clinton, and then Bush, all skewed what Conservatism was all about. Then when things went south, the fiscal Conservatism was totally lost on folks. They thought Conservatives weren’t fiscally Conservative.
That’s what bothers me about putting in people who lie and think nothing off it. It’s why I see grave danger in people who are in denial, and are willing to back a man who lies.
Do Democrats lie?
Do GOPe Republicans lie?
Do true Conservatives lie?
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