Posted on 04/25/2015 8:00:40 AM PDT by Towed_Jumper
“Anywhere from 8-36 Ethnic Russians were KILLED at Korsun, returning from the anti-Maidan rallies in Kiev. That is simply undeniable.”
8 to 36??? So you have no evidence for 36 people being murdered on a roadside when people are running around with video cameras? Do you realize how absurd your claims are?
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Debunking the Kremlin myth about the ‘Korsun pogrom’ (VIDEO)
As the anniversary of Crimea annexation came and went, one of the most popular justifications of the annexation got repeated over and over again: the Korsun pogrom. But it seems that this event is one of many inventions of the Russian propaganda machine, and did not actually take place – at least not in the way described by the Russian media. Moreover, the way this myth was constructed provides an insight into how the Russian propaganda machine fixes history.
President Vladimir Putin made a reference to the Korsun pogrom in a documentary called “Crimea: Path to the Motherland,” that was aired in Russia on March 15. He said the event allegedly took place on Feb. 20, 2014 close to the city of Korsun-Shevchenkivskiy in Cherkasy Oblast, and showed that Crimean citizens were in danger in Ukraine.
This is what happened, according to the Russian account of events: A group of Crimean supporters of former President Viktor Yanukovych, traveling by seven buses from Kyiv back to Crimea, were allegedly stopped at a checkpoint by activists of the EuroMaidan Revolution. The Crimean citizens were allegedly beaten and humiliated by them.
To illustrate the events, the Russian film makers used the footage of these events originally released in a film made by the Information Group on Crimes against the Person, a civic initiative that supposedly collects information on political and other crimes against people in Ukraine.
The group was created in February, 2014, but no contacts for the group are available. None are listed on their website, besides the address of their pages in social networks. The Kyiv Post attempts to reach this group were unsuccessful.
This group’s most visible activity was the release on Aug. 14 of a 24-minute documentary called “The crimes of EuroMaidan Nazis: The pogrom of Korsun on 20/02/2014.” The video appeared on a website of another organization called “Ukraine Human Rights.”
On top of producing the movie, the organization claims in keeps track of human rights violations in the east of Ukraine by volunteer battalions since April last year. It refers to those battalions as “Nazis”.
The problem is, reputable international human rights organizations, including the Human Rights Watch and Amnesty International, say they have never heard of such a group.
Bohdan Ovcharuk, a spokesperson for Amnesty International Ukraine, said his organization also tried to contact this group, because their logo is suspiciously reminiscent of the Amnesty one. Basically, the group used the same colors and fonts.
“Our lawyers tried to get in touch with someone (from Ukraine Human Right organization), because they copied our corporate style, but to no avail,” Ovcharuk told the Kyiv Post. “Looks like they’re pro-Kremlin trolls.”
This organization’s documentary claims to reconstruct the events of Feb. 20 based on accounts of eyewitnesses – Crimean citizens Oksana Medieva, Kateryna Solodilova and Anatoliy Polovynets. Authors of the film claimed that a group of EuroMaidan activists threw Molotov cocktails at the buses of Crimean activists.
The film shows some of those activists in helmets beating and humiliating people. At least 30 Crimeans went missing and seven were killed, according to the eye witness testimony. They also said that the EuroMaidan revolution supporters threatened to kill those who won’t sing Ukraine’s national anthem and forced some of them to eat broken glass.
But there is little evidence that none of those accounts are actually true and that the accompanying video material is authentic.
“I have no confidence that these events actually took place. There are testimonies of people who say they have witnessed the events, but they don’t specify exactly where they are from, they mostly just say ‘Crimea’,” explains Yulia Gorbunova, a researcher for Human Rights Watch’s on Ukraine, Russia and Belarus.
Gorbunova also said that it’s impossible to see the license plates on the buses or the faces of the participants, because “the picture is shifting all the time.”
“I think it’s just a propaganda tool,” Gorbunova concludes.
Ukraine’s police have also dismissed the whole story as invention of the Russian propaganda.
“Such events didn’t take place then,” Cherkasy region police spokesman Dmytro Hryshchenko said. “There was a checkpoint there and we also know about the burning of two buses. But the information about the activists gone missing or killed is not true.”
Kyiv Post staff writer Olena Goncharova can be reached at goncharova@kyivpost.com
Sounds wise to me.
OK...
SO tell me why I should believe obvious Kiev Propaganda about this?
And why I should believe this, and not Amnesty, or the Red Cross?
You REALLY need to stop. You claim to want facts... but then you deny the facts! Just stop already
I deny PROPAGANDA, not facts.
After so much garbage wrapped in sh*t and deposited in the middle of the sea of diarrhea which is called the Russian "news", it would take a very special person to believe it at face value. Same goes for the Korsun "massacre" - a fabricated event with no bodies, victim names, collaborative witnesses or independent confirmations, a big nothing
Now compare that to the real people who were killed in Sloviansk by Russian terrorists real bodies and real names.
I haven’t stated ANYTHING about this story, other than saying there have been MANY allegations of atrocities from this bunch, substantiated by both the Red Cross and Amnesty.
Why are the Ukie trolls so desperate to put words in others mouths, in an attempt to shout them down?
If it smells a lot like propaganda, it probably is.
Meanwhile on Russian TV prisoners are being forced to eat parts of their uniforms as the Russian TV host mocks them.
These “rebels” are mercenaries and criminals more than anything.
This whole “Nazi” thing is PURE Kremlin propaganda.
Anyone using it should just be dismissed
Russian news had a story that Ukrainian soldiers defending their country are really doing it for the two Russian slaves and some land that they’ve been promised after the war. Anything as ridiculous from the Ukrainian side? Dunno
“This whole “Nazi” thing is PURE Kremlin propaganda.”
Except for the actual NAZI’s, of course.
Oligarchs and Nazi’s on both sides
“Meanwhile on Russian TV prisoners are being forced to eat parts of their uniforms as the Russian TV host mocks them.”
Those Right Sector prisoners from the Airport that you are talking about, are likely thanking their lucky stars that the TV Crew was there.
The Rebels don’t often take the Nazi’s as prisoners, or allow them to surrender. Too many atrocities committed by them.
It can easily be said if it weren’t for the Nazi’s, there wouldn’t even be a Civil War in Ukraine.
The reporter was probably embedded with the Russian troops there
“Oligarchs and Nazi’s on both sides”
False equivalency. The “Russian” “Nazi’s” aren’t holding positions of power in the coup governments of the Rebel States, or fielding entire battallions of Nazi’s, or calling their units things like “SS Dirlewanger”.
entire battalions of nazi’s...
the same nazi’s who couldn’t scratch together any votes.
1)You referred to Korsun non-event as an example of an atrocity committed by Ukrainians
2)I said, considering the Russian source and the previous “gems” it produced, it cannot be relied on. (Unless there’s a confirmation from another source) Moreover, there’s a lot more of documented atrocities by the Russian side.
How does 1) and 2) lead to me being a Ukie troll?
I should probably add that it isn’t clear if all of those Prisoners in that tape are Right Sector, but the officer that led them to retake the Airport certainly was.
A couple of the soldiers claimed they were told they were just going in to evacuate wounded (The Airport had been under total rebel control for several days by that point), but found themselves in an assault to take it back, that failed.
You’ve tried dismissing this for over a year, yet the fact remains that they are playing a HUGE role in this, especially in Kiev politics.
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