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The "War on Drugs" is dinosaur technology
Huffington POst ^ | 03/22/2015 | Johann Hari

Posted on 05/03/2015 7:59:56 PM PDT by Yollopoliuhqui

Nearly fifteen years ago, Portugal had one of the worst drug problems in Europe, with 1 percent of the population addicted to heroin. They had tried a drug war, and the problem just kept getting worse. So they decided to do something radically different. They resolved to decriminalize all drugs...

(Excerpt) Read more at huffingtonpost.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption
KEYWORDS: addiction; drugs; libertarianagenda; warondrugs; wod
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To: Ethan Clive Osgoode
Here's what I think:

Those who value children's souls should recognize that drug criminalization has failed to protect children; teens have been reporting for years that they can get pot more easily than cigarettes or beer - which stands to reason, since only sellers of legal goods have incentive to 'card' buyers.

101 posted on 05/04/2015 8:43:05 AM PDT by ConservingFreedom (A government strong enough to impose your standards is strong enough to ban them.)
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To: ConservingFreedom
Who are these millions supposedly now deterred from drug use by the risk of jail but who under legalization would be undeterred by addiction and death? Are you one of them?

No, I'm not a libertarian.

102 posted on 05/04/2015 8:43:08 AM PDT by Ethan Clive Osgoode (<<== Click here to learn about Evolution!)
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To: Ethan Clive Osgoode
Who are these millions supposedly now deterred from drug use by the risk of jail but who under legalization would be undeterred by addiction and death? Are you one of them?

No, I'm not a libertarian.

There are millions of libertarians? And all of them are now deterred from drug use by the risk of jail but under legalization would be undeterred by addiction and death?

Can you provide and reason for anyone to believe either of those claims?

103 posted on 05/04/2015 8:45:03 AM PDT by ConservingFreedom (A government strong enough to impose your standards is strong enough to ban them.)
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To: ConservingFreedom
Here's what I think:

So, you have no particular view on shooting looters, but you affirm that shooting drug-dealers is unconstitutional. Just to get it straight.

104 posted on 05/04/2015 8:45:12 AM PDT by Ethan Clive Osgoode (<<== Click here to learn about Evolution!)
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To: Ethan Clive Osgoode

Scratch a drug warrior and you find a totalitarian right there at the surface. It has been amply demonstrated on this thread.


105 posted on 05/04/2015 8:51:42 AM PDT by zeugma ( The Clintons Could Find a Loophole in a Stop Sign)
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To: Ethan Clive Osgoode

> No, because I’m not a drug dealer.

You assume that this will stay restricted to drug dealers.
If the War on Drugs has taught us anything it is that this is simply a ridiculous assumption.


106 posted on 05/04/2015 9:12:58 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Yollopoliuhqui

War on Drugs or is it Party with the Cartel?


107 posted on 05/04/2015 9:15:10 AM PDT by bmwcyle (People who do not study history are destine to believe really ignorant statements.)
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To: DiogenesLamp
> Libertarian talking point. "Commerce" is cited because it is convenient. The court's gave broad powers in their Wickard decision, so "why not use them" is the thinking of various legal officials. Why would they want to fight the issue out for another justification when they've already got "Wickard"? Why work for something when you don't have to?

Actually commerce is cited here because that's what the USSC uses to justify the War on Drugs.
I agree that it is laziness/convenience that they use Wickard, but the fact is that they do use it.

> A more rational authorization for drug interdiction is in the section responsible for defending the nation. Drugs are no different than chemical or biological weapons, and therefore the constitution authorizes the government to stop them.

Except there's a huge difference: chemical and biological weapons are deployed regardless of the will of those exposed to it; while, on the other hand, drugs aren't used by those who don't want them.

108 posted on 05/04/2015 9:17:55 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: ConservingFreedom
Nonsense - nobody uses chemical or biological weapons against themselves.

Not till they get hooked because someone else used them on them.

109 posted on 05/04/2015 9:27:00 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp
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To: Yollopoliuhqui

Read this and get smarter.

_____________________________________

Yeah. Right.

Reading crap from the Puff Ho designed to encourage stupid, risky, anti-social, unconservative behavior just ain’t gonna happen.


110 posted on 05/04/2015 9:49:31 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (With Great Freedom comes Great Responsibility.)
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To: DiogenesLamp

War on drugs brings Policing for profit. My liberty is infringed upon When my property can be targeted for confiscation for activity I have no knowledge of.


111 posted on 05/04/2015 9:57:02 AM PDT by the_daug
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To: DiogenesLamp

War on drugs brings Policing for profit. My liberty is infringed upon When my property can be targeted for confiscation for activity I have no knowledge of.


112 posted on 05/04/2015 10:01:49 AM PDT by the_daug
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To: DiogenesLamp
Nonsense - nobody uses chemical or biological weapons against themselves.

Not till they get hooked because someone else used them on them.

Using drugs on someone else is relatively rare - yes, drinks have been spiked with Rohypnol, but I know of no case ever of A having used (unspiked) marijuana on B.

113 posted on 05/04/2015 10:04:53 AM PDT by ConservingFreedom (A government strong enough to impose your standards is strong enough to ban them.)
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To: ansel12; Yollopoliuhqui

Good catch.

It appears Yollopoliuhqui is a liberal troll with an agenda to agitate.


114 posted on 05/04/2015 10:04:54 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (With Great Freedom comes Great Responsibility.)
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To: Yollopoliuhqui

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115 posted on 05/04/2015 10:15:41 AM PDT by ConservingFreedom (A government strong enough to impose your standards is strong enough to ban them.)
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To: ConservingFreedom
Under our Constitutional right to trial by jury, dealers are replaced as fast as they're taken out of circulation. Do you support jettisoning that Constitutional right?

I have no interest in playing your fallacy of false choice game. I believe we can execute drug dealers constitutionally.

116 posted on 05/04/2015 10:19:46 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp
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To: DiogenesLamp

The US had a much smaller govt without mayhem.


117 posted on 05/04/2015 10:24:39 AM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: DiogenesLamp
Nice story. The US and Canada had opium dens for the Chinese contract labor too. and here is one for you Death of Donald P. Scott
118 posted on 05/04/2015 10:30:55 AM PDT by the_daug
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To: DiogenesLamp
I believe we can execute drug dealers constitutionally.

Of course - but that's not the shoot-dealers-on-sight proposal to which I was responding in post #87. To execute them Constitutionally we first have to arrest them - and we're doing that no faster than they're replaced.

119 posted on 05/04/2015 10:32:56 AM PDT by ConservingFreedom (A government strong enough to impose your standards is strong enough to ban them.)
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To: DiogenesLamp
And here comes the most prominent drug pusher on Free Republic to add his deliberate propaganda to the discussion.

You should look up internet libel and review some of the cases.

Dead drug dealers are even less of a threat to children.

I wouldn't have added that comment either. FReep as you will, however.

120 posted on 05/04/2015 10:36:17 AM PDT by Ken H
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