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Baltimore police officer files motion claiming Freddie Gray knife was illegal
The Guardian ^ | May 5 2015

Posted on 05/05/2015 4:19:18 PM PDT by navysealdad

A Baltimore police officer charged over the death of Freddie Gray has attempted to compel the Baltimore state’s attorney Marilyn Mosby to produce the knife Gray was arrested for carrying, contending that it was an illegal weapon and as such Gray’s arrest was justified.

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TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 2ndamendment; freddiegrayknife; mosbypresser
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To: navysealdad

No, what I have is reasonable cause that they should be charged and sent to trial. You don’t have any esculpalary evidence either. You and I only have media talking points and leaked talking points from people with agendas. So if you disagree with my reasoning, show us your reasoning rather than a pithy little setup line to a straw man argument consisting of talking points and media leaks.


41 posted on 05/05/2015 5:28:40 PM PDT by Usagi_yo (Police are just armed bureaucrats.)
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To: Usagi_yo

Baltimore city code says a person can’t carry or possess any knife “with an automatic spring or other device for opening and/or closing the blade, commonly known as a switch-blade knife.”


42 posted on 05/05/2015 5:30:14 PM PDT by navysealdad (http://drdavehouseoffun.com/)
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To: yarddog

Buck makes a Machete....

I saw the empty package which had held a Buck Machete.... laying in front of a convenience store some months ago.


43 posted on 05/05/2015 5:32:51 PM PDT by MeshugeMikey ("Never, Never, Never, Give Up," Winston Churchill ><>)
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To: IMR 4350

The knife I usually carry daily is a Victorinox. It is a step up from the “Spartan” but I can’t recall the exact name. Of the maybe two dozen Swiss Army knives I own including the huge Swisschamp, I like it best.

I probably use the toothpick more than any other tool but the screwdrivers get a lot of use too. The main blade also gets a lot of use but for utilitarian purposes. I use a walking stick and it is a Cold Steel Irish Blackthorne. It would be an effective weapon assuming I really knew how to use it. I actually don’t but could probably improvise.

I do have a few high quality assisted opening knives, all bought on clearance. I can open them fairly easily but not like those who are good with them. The main reason is arthritis in my knuckles.


44 posted on 05/05/2015 5:33:05 PM PDT by yarddog (Romans 8:38-39, For I am persuaded.)
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To: navysealdad

Fine, I’ll assume that that’s correct and that Freddie indeed had an illegal knife just for arguments sake. Not believing it was illegal until I see it or there is a legal judgement on it.

Congratulations, the charges of kidnapping (illegal arrest) are dropped.

Now, what about the fact that they took him into custody alive, and he arrived at the hospital essentially dead all while shackled and in the back of a van.

What possible excuse can you have to claim that’s not suspicious and doesn’t need further investigation?


45 posted on 05/05/2015 5:37:11 PM PDT by Usagi_yo (Police are just armed bureaucrats.)
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To: navysealdad

mosby is nauseatingly racist and stupid. the cops will get off and there will be more riots.


46 posted on 05/05/2015 5:39:35 PM PDT by Palio di Siena
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To: MeshugeMikey

Now a machete is one of the few things I actually could really use well when I was young. I still have a bunch but haven’t used one in a couple of years.

The best ones I have used and that includes some very expensive makes, is the ordinary U.S. Military surplus ones made by Ontario. The only thing I do to them is tape the handles with athletic tape so they don’t get slippery when sweaty.

I have to replace the tape occasionally. Even some of the cheap ones made in South America are pretty decent. I have a couple of Collins brand, I think made in Brazil and they are nearly as good as the Ontario.

A machete is the most useful of just about any edged tool. I also prefer a carpenters hatchet to a woodsmans hatchet for use in the woods. They have a much thinner, easier to sharpen blade and cut far easier.


47 posted on 05/05/2015 5:41:32 PM PDT by yarddog (Romans 8:38-39, For I am persuaded.)
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To: navysealdad
"“with an automatic spring or other device for opening and/or closing the blade, commonly known as a switch-blade knife.”"

When New York outlawed spring-operated knives, the gangsters just removed the spring. The knife could still open quickly with the flick of a wrist. But was legal. That's why the second part of the law was added. If a defense witness can demonstrate this with the knife or an identical model knife (that's suitably cleaned, polished and lubricated), that part of her case is pretty much over.

48 posted on 05/05/2015 5:43:02 PM PDT by Sooth2222 ("In a democracy people get the leaders they deserve." - Joseph de Maistre, 1753-1821)
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The resistance on a spring-assist knife can be easily defeated by loosening the pivot screw with a torx bit, making it easy to deploy the blade with a flick of the wrist.

Using some lubricant made for fishing reels applied to the pivot also helps overcome the resistance on a spring-assisted knife as well.

I do this with all of my folders.

My EDC SD knife is a Spyderco Civilian, legal in most of California.

4" of nasty, razor sharp VG-10 serrated steel:


49 posted on 05/05/2015 5:46:22 PM PDT by Rodney Dangerfield (Why did Nero fiddle while Rome burned? Because Golf hadn't been invented yet.)
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To: navysealdad

Suddenly The Guardian likes knives?


50 posted on 05/05/2015 5:47:12 PM PDT by miss marmelstein (Richard the Third: "I should like to drive away not only the Turks (moslims) but all my foes.")
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To: navysealdad

People in Baltimore will always believe in Freddie Gray. He might even get an “unofficial” city holiday.


51 posted on 05/05/2015 5:47:19 PM PDT by Theodore R. (Liberals keep winning; so the American people must now be all-liberal all the time.)
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To: Usagi_yo

Theconservativetreehouse.com has audio of the officers requesting medical assistance for Freddie Gray at numerous intervals during transport. This audio of their communications with dispatch completely proves the prosecutors claims that medical assistance was not sought were False!


52 posted on 05/05/2015 5:51:48 PM PDT by conservativejoy (We Can Elect Ted Cruz! Pray Hard, Work Hard, Trust God!)
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To: yarddog

Cold Steel makes a variety of Machetes.

I prefer the “Kukri” style machete myself.

http://www.coldsteel.com/search.aspx?keyword=machete&startpage=0%22


53 posted on 05/05/2015 5:52:09 PM PDT by Rodney Dangerfield (Why did Nero fiddle while Rome burned? Because Golf hadn't been invented yet.)
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To: Usagi_yo
"I don’t disagree with much you said there, I do want to point out that the filing is from a “Baltimore Police Officer” not a defense attorney."

Ummmmm... "In a motion filed Monday on behalf of Officer Edward Nero, his attorneys believe that the "spring assisted, one hand operated knife" obtained during Gray's April 12 arrest is not in fact legal — and therefore, his arrest was justified, reported NBC affiliate WBAL. "

I doubt very much that Officer Nero came up with this idea on his own. (Demonstrating why good lawyers get paid as much as they do.)

54 posted on 05/05/2015 5:54:44 PM PDT by Sooth2222 ("In a democracy people get the leaders they deserve." - Joseph de Maistre, 1753-1821)
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To: Usagi_yo

Further investigation is fine. Charging the black policeman who drove the van with second-degree depraved-heart murder is hard to prove. What did he do?


55 posted on 05/05/2015 5:55:08 PM PDT by navysealdad (http://drdavehouseoffun.com/)
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To: CivilWarBrewing

I believe you are exactly right. I’m sure the union is challenging this change in policy due to safety issues to the officers. They will win that challenge.

Also, audio of the officers radioing dispatch several times during transport for medical assistance is currently on theconservativetreehouse website. This completely proves the charges against these officers are False!


56 posted on 05/05/2015 5:56:29 PM PDT by conservativejoy (We Can Elect Ted Cruz! Pray Hard, Work Hard, Trust God!)
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To: Rodney Dangerfield

I have two Cold Steel Kukris. One was expensive the other fairly cheap. I assume they are great fighting knives but have never tried to develop any skill with them.

I personally do not like them for clearing brush etc. The blades are too thick and they are not long enough.


57 posted on 05/05/2015 5:56:56 PM PDT by yarddog (Romans 8:38-39, For I am persuaded.)
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To: faithhopecharity

He is a known drug dealer and ran unprovoked from the police. Also, an office has said that Gray was observed making a hand ot hand to hand transaction just before he saw the police.

Not only is the illegal arrest charge falling apart, but audio of communications with dispatch enroute prove that medical assistance was requested for Gray several times. Go to thconservativetreehouse.com to hear the audio.


58 posted on 05/05/2015 6:00:52 PM PDT by conservativejoy (We Can Elect Ted Cruz! Pray Hard, Work Hard, Trust God!)
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To: Sooth2222

Okay I give. Guilty of reading the title and skimming the content.


59 posted on 05/05/2015 6:05:04 PM PDT by Usagi_yo (Police are just armed bureaucrats.)
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To: Rodney Dangerfield

Looking through that Cold Steel site, I was surprised how many machete style knives they make.

I have always thought they made some of the best knives for the money.


60 posted on 05/05/2015 6:06:21 PM PDT by yarddog (Romans 8:38-39, For I am persuaded.)
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