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Are gays ‘born that way’? Most Americans now say yes, but science says no
LifeSite News ^ | May 20, 2015

Posted on 05/21/2015 8:09:52 AM PDT by xzins

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To: alexander_busek; Ancesthntr; bigbob
or at least never had children

That's the point. It was talking about a genetic advantage. There were no children, so they didn't pass anything along.

What do you think? Wouldn't any financial advantage a homosexual uncle might have passed on to a heterosexual niece, for example, have to be be seen from the standpoint that that niece would likely have reproduced anyway?

41 posted on 05/21/2015 9:33:10 AM PDT by xzins (Donate to the Freep-a-Thon or lose your ONLY voice. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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The poll is based on telephone interviews with a random sample of 1,024 adults, aged 18 and older, living in the United States.

Oh, please! That equals .0003% of the population. Three one-thousandths of one percent.

42 posted on 05/21/2015 9:34:22 AM PDT by Albion Wilde (The "legacy of slavery" is not an excuse for inexcusable behavior. --Thomas Sowell)
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To: Albion Wilde

Yep. Sampling the population is a tricky business, and we’ve learned that these kind of polls are easily manipulated.


43 posted on 05/21/2015 9:37:10 AM PDT by xzins (Donate to the Freep-a-Thon or lose your ONLY voice. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: xzins
Our media and the government elite are using polls now to create public opinion instead of measure it. Too many of the uninformed are willing to be told what to think then get it reinforced in regularly published poll data.

Also the entertainment media is a willing participant in the deception. The elites there embrace any and all liberal agendas and present them in their programs as "the new normal".

44 posted on 05/21/2015 9:46:26 AM PDT by pfflier
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To: pfflier; Albion Wilde

Pat Caddell was going nuts about a poll a week or so ago that had a sample with 44% democrats to prove, iirc, that Hillary is doing just fine.


45 posted on 05/21/2015 9:55:37 AM PDT by xzins (Donate to the Freep-a-Thon or lose your ONLY voice. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: albie
Adopted Father and Son to Marry

What's the chances that 'father' was doing that 'son' and turned him?

Is that 'recruitment via abuse' a legitimate reason to think homosexuality makes our culture, neighborhoods, more dangerous?

46 posted on 05/21/2015 10:07:50 AM PDT by xzins (Donate to the Freep-a-Thon or lose your ONLY voice. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: xzins
That is a trend that becomes obvious when you start looking at the "internals" in the poll.

There was a thread here a few days ago that claimed the majority of Americans approve of socialism. When the internals were revealed further in the piece, the dims had a 55% favorable view while republicans were at 37%. In order for the results claimed, the dims would have to be oversampled to achieve a majority (50% +1) overall.

Who determines the polling samples? The people who want to get the results they are seeking. That could be either the pollsters or the people commissioning the polls.

47 posted on 05/21/2015 10:23:57 AM PDT by pfflier
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To: pfflier

And it’s only in election season that they report based on likely voters.

That 44% sample I mentioned would have itself been far worse for Hillary if only likely voters had been sampled. IIRC, the lady has had a permanent disapproval rating of about 42% for years.


48 posted on 05/21/2015 10:27:45 AM PDT by xzins (Donate to the Freep-a-Thon or lose your ONLY voice. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: xzins

Basically they are saying it is a one way choice street. You can become gay, but you can never go back. How does that fit with the gay gene original?
Gay marriage is oath to anal intercourse for life. It also forbids people from sharing each other’s genes inherently. It is a violation of civil rights because based in a racist marriage without gene share.

This is why they are trying to push the gay gene or racist gene eugenics program.


49 posted on 05/21/2015 10:31:21 AM PDT by lavaroise (A well regulated gun being necessary to the state, the rights of the militia shall no)
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To: albie
Who cares? They make up 2.8% of the population.

Not the way news/media/film/television/internet, and just about every third person feels... We should care since it is being used as a means to crush religious expression and freedom.

We should care when small business are being put out of business for their views!

2.8% seems to have a lot or too much power in this country.
50 posted on 05/21/2015 10:33:34 AM PDT by Thorliveshere (Minnesota Survivor)
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To: xzins
I was wrong in my example. The independents polled at 37% the republicans were at 17%. That means the numbers would have to be even more stacked in favor of the dims to achieve a "majority".

Anyway you have seen through the headline and understand how the polling architecture was skewed on the hildabeast approval poll.

Imagine how many people are just headline readers.

51 posted on 05/21/2015 10:38:58 AM PDT by pfflier
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Wait, are you saying that Progressives are waging their own War on Science??


52 posted on 05/21/2015 10:41:14 AM PDT by tanknetter
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To: xzins

Hey, when the old media and homowood lie, people listen and believe.


53 posted on 05/21/2015 10:51:57 AM PDT by Neoliberalnot (Marxism works well only with the uneducated and the unarmed.)
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To: tanknetter

As always, they pay attention only to the science that supports their hare-brained ideas.


54 posted on 05/21/2015 11:24:20 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (A free society canÂ’t let the parameters of its speech be set by murderous extremists.)
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To: xzins

Ask those that “feel” homos are born that way if they “feel” psychopaths and schizophrenics are born that way as well?


55 posted on 05/21/2015 12:00:58 PM PDT by doorgunner69
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To: xzins; alexander_busek; bigbob

Even with a homosexual near relative, the odds of the mythical “gay gene” being passed to the next generation is reduced...so the argument is the same, that the gene self-selects for extinction, just more slowly (since, presumably, the niece or nephew of the gay person would be a potential carrier). I’m not buying that, though, because “self-selecting for extinction” is so completely counter to the whole idea of genetic science that it makes no sense...and, again, how would such a gene evolve in the first place?

Regarding SOME propagation of the mythical “gay gene,” this was/is possible where a gay person gets married due to societal pressures. Either there will be no kids because the person is firmly homosexual (no pun intended, kids), or there are less (1 or 2, vs. 3 or more) because some of the sexual energy of the gay person is expended upon people of the same gender who simply cannot reproduce. Either way - no propagation or less propagation - the mythical “gay gene” goes extinct after X number of generations, because it MUST do so - the math demands that this be so.

As a result, THERE IS SIMPLY NO WAY THAT THERE IS A “GAY GENE” (or a complex of them). This is behavior, folks, no two ways about it.


56 posted on 05/21/2015 12:40:06 PM PDT by Ancesthntr ("The right to buy weapons is the right to be free." A. E. van Vogt)
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To: xzins

Being gay isn’t determined by a gene any more than there is a gene for heterosexuality.

At what point did you consider “hmmm, should I be gay or straight?” you never did. You are what you are.

There’s also no gene for right-handedness or left-handedness, or for people who prefer Asian women over other races, or for people who only like blondes, or people who like plumper people.

My brother is gay, and he was never abused (we’ve talked at length about this) and frankly, I knew he was probably before he knew he was.

People have all kinds of kinks and fetishes. How you got that way does not matter.

I am of the opinion that it’s none of my business what anyone likes to do in the bedroom any more than it’s any of anyone else’s business what I like to do in the bedroom. Pretty much anything two consenting adults decide to get up to, hey, don’t hurt anybody, don’t f*ck any kids or animals or incapacitated people who can’t give consent, and knock yourself out.

Yes, I know there are passages in the bible that say you shouldn’t do it. There are also passages that say I shouldn’t masturbate or eat shrimp cocktail or have a cheeseburger, and let me tell you, those are some of my favorite things to do.


57 posted on 05/21/2015 1:19:27 PM PDT by arbitrary.squid
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Pretty much anything two consenting adults decide to get up to, hey, don’t hurt anybody,

Homosexuality is dangerous biologically, physically, socially, and spiritually. It's puts health at risk, it thrives on recruitment, particularly of the young, it results in early death to its practitioners, and it opposes Nature's God, since it glorifies the unnatural over the natural.

So,it hurts lots of people.

58 posted on 05/21/2015 1:23:19 PM PDT by xzins (Donate to the Freep-a-Thon or lose your ONLY voice. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: xzins

Most Americans are idiots.

I hate stating the obvious.


59 posted on 05/21/2015 1:41:48 PM PDT by fwdude (The last time the GOP ran an "extremist," Reagan won 44 states.)
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To: xzins

Homosexual anal sex is no more harmful than heterosexual anal sex, and there’s plenty of heterosexual anal sex going on. I’m not a fan of it, but some people are.

Oral or digital sex between people of the same sex or different sex is no more harmful one way or another.

I’ve known literally hundreds of gay people in my life. I worked for years in restaurants and I’ve never been afraid of them. Not once have I ever been “recruited”.

My relationship with Nature’s God is none of your concern.


60 posted on 05/21/2015 1:57:05 PM PDT by arbitrary.squid
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