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[VANITY : ] Is the H1B visa a modern form of indentured servitude?

Posted on 05/21/2015 9:25:39 AM PDT by cradle of freedom

On the Jeff Kuhner show today, he discussed Disney's use of the H1B visa to remove long time IT workers from its staff. IT workers who have been working at Disney for as long as twenty years have been fired but not before they are made to train the foreign H1B workers who will replace them. They are given a choice of having some sort of severance package and they cannot complain about the conditions if they want that severance package.

Marco Rubio is supporting the H1B program, he is a big disappointment to me. This H1B visa program seems to have become a modern form of indentured servitude. I don't know if perhaps it started out as a good thing but over time has become corrupted but it is definitely out of control and needs to be reined in.


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KEYWORDS: corporatewelfare; disney; h1b; immigration; itstaff; marcorubio
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To: cradle of freedom

H1-B may be a lot of things, most of which screw American workers, but indentured service ain’t one of them. As long as there is some freedom attached to it, it seems at least humane.

If you want to see servitude, see how migrant tomato pickers in Florida are treated - permanent debt to “employers” at beyond usurious rates, being locked in trailers at night to prevent escape, etc.


21 posted on 05/21/2015 10:33:08 AM PDT by HoosierDammit ("When that big rock n' roll clock strikes 12, I will be buried with my Tele on!" Bruce Springsteen)
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To: gdani

Scholars Debunk Claims of High-Tech Workers Shortage, Question Industry’s ‘Free Pass’ - http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2014/05/16/scholars-debunk-claims-of-high-tech-workers-shortage-question-industry-s-free-pass/


22 posted on 05/21/2015 10:34:34 AM PDT by ConservingFreedom (A government strong enough to impose your standards is strong enough to ban them.)
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To: DoodleDawg

yep, I see


23 posted on 05/21/2015 10:55:18 AM PDT by AlmaKing
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To: DoodleDawg
HCL is doing that work now and that company happens to be filled with H-1Bs.

Oh it is so much better when they use Vaseline.

24 posted on 05/21/2015 10:56:30 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: gdani
My experience is limited to two immigrant friends.

90% chance they vote democratic.

25 posted on 05/21/2015 10:58:51 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va
Oh it is so much better when they use Vaseline.

One day that will probably be a casualty of the cost cutting as well.

26 posted on 05/21/2015 11:01:11 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: central_va
>>>My experience is limited to two immigrant friends.

90% chance they vote democratic.

They do not vote. Perhaps they will soon as they are both on their way to getting citizenship.

And if they end up voting Republican, I'll count that as only slightly better than voting Democrat.

27 posted on 05/21/2015 11:20:13 AM PDT by gdani (No sacred cows)
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To: ConservingFreedom
Scholars Debunk Claims of High-Tech Workers Shortage, Question Industry’s ‘Free Pass'...

I have no doubt corporations abuse & break this law/prorgram. They do in virtually every other aspect so why not here?

My post was only to demonstrate not every H1B worker is living a life of "indentured servitude".

28 posted on 05/21/2015 11:23:55 AM PDT by gdani (No sacred cows)
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To: cradle of freedom
...Disney's use of the H1B visa to remove long time IT workers from its staff. IT workers who have been working at Disney for as long as twenty years have been fired...

Many people in IT in large companies were there in the mainframe days when IT truly was a specialty skill. If those workers were loyal company people, they stayed and made their careers at the company - remember, we're talking about the 1980s now. These people continued to add value to the company as their knowledge grew with the company growth. They retrained through the PC revolution, Y2K, and the growth of the Web. They also saw salary inflation as anyone would who stayed with a company for a career.

Today, IT has become a commodity service, but the single-company career IT worker is earning a 30 year employee salary, not an IT salary.

This is what companies are trying to change with H-1B visa workers. They are displacing long-time salaried employees with short-term commodity-wage workers.

-PJ

29 posted on 05/21/2015 11:24:35 AM PDT by Political Junkie Too (If you are the Posterity of We the People, then you are a Natural Born Citizen.)
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To: Political Junkie Too

Salary is determined by supply and demand not the opinion of an armchair blowhard gloBULList.


30 posted on 05/21/2015 11:26:57 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va
Starting salary, maybe. But at some point in a large company, organizational inertia takes over. Think about the impacts of 25 years of cost-of-living adjustments, merit raises, and promotions on a careerist's income relative to what a new-hire might get in the same field.

I'm not talking about an IT services company. I'm talking about an in-house IT department in a corporation whose main product is something else.

-PJ

31 posted on 05/21/2015 11:41:49 AM PDT by Political Junkie Too (If you are the Posterity of We the People, then you are a Natural Born Citizen.)
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To: gdani

What they haven’t told you is this. If they leave their present employers, they will most lekly be forced to restart their green card process. This mm ot only causes long delays, but is very expensive unless their new employer agrees to sponsor and pay for the lawyers.


32 posted on 05/21/2015 11:49:35 AM PDT by Woodman
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To: Political Junkie Too

The reason is the 30 yr employee is worth it. You will have to hire 3 noobs to get the same result.


33 posted on 05/21/2015 11:52:37 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va
I agree.

-PJ

34 posted on 05/21/2015 11:54:07 AM PDT by Political Junkie Too (If you are the Posterity of We the People, then you are a Natural Born Citizen.)
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To: Political Junkie Too
Think about the impacts of 25 years of cost-of-living adjustments, merit raises, and promotions on a careerist's income relative to what a new-hire might get in the same field.

The new hire doesn't have years of experience and understanding of your business and your customer's business.

35 posted on 05/21/2015 11:56:06 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: Political Junkie Too
They retrained through the PC revolution, Y2K, and the growth of the Web.

Technological innovation continues (e.g., cloud computing, big data) - and the companies that boost short-term profits by hiring indentured drones will eventually find they've eaten their seed corn. Which will be scant comfort to the American citizens whose lives were disrupted along the way.

36 posted on 05/21/2015 11:58:22 AM PDT by ConservingFreedom (A government strong enough to impose your standards is strong enough to ban them.)
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To: DoodleDawg
The new hire doesn't have years of experience and understanding of your business and your customer's business.

Ditto. And a contract hire has less reason to care about the longer-term success of your business.

37 posted on 05/21/2015 12:00:29 PM PDT by ConservingFreedom (A government strong enough to impose your standards is strong enough to ban them.)
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To: ConservingFreedom; DoodleDawg
Absolutely correct. It's hard to put a value on that until you don't have it anymore.

-PJ

38 posted on 05/21/2015 12:06:24 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (If you are the Posterity of We the People, then you are a Natural Born Citizen.)
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To: CapnJack

I would like to see a mass lawsuit by all of the many workers who have been screwed by this H1B scam.


39 posted on 05/21/2015 1:37:36 PM PDT by cradle of freedom
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To: DoodleDawg

So the HCL company is probably headquartered in India? where the laws do not protect American workers? How fiendishly clever of them.


40 posted on 05/21/2015 1:42:32 PM PDT by cradle of freedom
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