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Buried Truths About Nazi Mass Murder and the Allied Victory
New York Times ^ | MAY 21, 2015 | Roger Cohen

Posted on 05/21/2015 10:47:19 PM PDT by nickcarraway

A very important movie about the Holocaust made its way to New York City for the first time this week at the end of a tortuous journey that began 70 years ago when Allied forces and newsreel cameramen stumbled into Nazi concentration camps. Called “German Concentration Camps Factual Survey,” it is as unadorned as its title, a document shot in the moment to capture forever evidence of the unimaginable.

Made under the auspices of the British Ministry of Information, produced by Sidney Bernstein, the founder of Granada Television, assembled with advice from Alfred Hitchcock, the movie was meant to ram home to Germans what had been done in their name in the land of Goethe and Hölderlin.

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Instead, after a rough cut of five of its planned six reels was shown at the Ministry on Sept. 29, 1945, it was buried for decades in the archives of Britain’s Imperial War Museum. Only recently was “Factual Survey” restored, digitized and completed by the museum’s staff with the incorporation of the sixth reel.

The documentary, shown at the Museum of Jewish Heritage, is therefore important not only for what it is — an overwhelming testament to Nazi depravity — but also for its strange history in which lessons lurk about shifting political priorities and shamed evasiveness.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Extended News; Germany; Israel; US: New York; United Kingdom; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: alfredhitchcock; germany; holocaust; israel; nazi; newyork; newyorkcity; newyorktimes; rogercohen; theholocaust; unitedkingdom; waronterror; worldwarii
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1 posted on 05/21/2015 10:47:19 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway

“Calm Down. ISIS isn’t Winning.”
That’s the title of the next article on the NY Times web page.


2 posted on 05/21/2015 11:08:08 PM PDT by XHogPilot
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To: nickcarraway

Why strange history? Obama is doing the same, believing Socialist welfare will shut people up regarding his antisemitism. Being black, even Jews dare not rebuke him or his friend of ilk Hillary

http://rightwingnews.com/democrats/obama-claims-anti-semitic-iranians-are-just-being-rational/


3 posted on 05/21/2015 11:59:48 PM PDT by lavaroise (A well regulated gun being necessary to the state, the rights of the militia shall no)
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To: nickcarraway

Sad, heartbreaking, I feel numb in thought and great sadness.

We can not let this happen again, but it is, while on a seemingly smaller scale at the moment..... it is happening.

What will we do and when will we do it?


4 posted on 05/22/2015 12:09:23 AM PDT by Gator113 (~~Cruz, OR LOSE~~ Ted Cruz is the only true Conservative in this race.)
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It was shameful because a civilised country (Germany) did it — we thought we were past it. however, there was also the Armenian holocaust, the Porajmos (slaughter of Gipsies by nazis), Rwanda etc.


5 posted on 05/22/2015 12:38:53 AM PDT by Cronos (ObamaÂ’s dislike of Assad is not based on AssadÂ’s brutality but that he isn't a jihadi Moslem)
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To: nickcarraway
if you spoke exclusively about the fate of Jews

If you do that, you're being inaccurate.

The Nazis murdered about as many non-Jews as Jews.

They killed a much higher percentage of Jews than of any other largish group, but that was of course of little comfort to murdered non-Jews.

Roughly 2/3 of Jews in areas under Hitler's control died. About 25% of Roma. To pick two groups the Nazis hated the most.

6 posted on 05/22/2015 1:47:41 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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Just in time for the new reich.

And it ain't gonna be Isis.

7 posted on 05/22/2015 2:19:45 AM PDT by 9thLife ("Life is a military endeavor..." -- Francis)
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To: Gator113

Smaller scale? It’s global.


8 posted on 05/22/2015 2:22:29 AM PDT by 9thLife ("Life is a military endeavor..." -- Francis)
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To: XHogPilot

How about: Calm please, ISIS is only winning a little.


9 posted on 05/22/2015 2:31:58 AM PDT by exnavy (the feral gubmint should be prosecuted.)
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So what’s really new about this? Government’s have a nasty tendency to butcher their citizenry in large numbers whenever it becomes politically expedient. Most people will look the other way when it happens.

What’s interesting to me is how people express outrage at the act itself, yet don’t seem to make the connection to governments more or less routinely using mass murder as an act of political expediency. At pretty much any given time, some government somewhere is killing off its people. So remind me: why are governments necessary? Because citizens would do what without the strong hand of governance to guide them? They might Kill each other? It would seem that governments do a pretty good job of killing people in large numbers notwithstanding.

Never Again! At least until next week...


10 posted on 05/22/2015 3:08:17 AM PDT by RKBA Democrat (The ballot is a suggestion box for slaves.)
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Oddly, liberals seek to rebuild the socialist empire, or maybe it isn’t so odd but is in the character of every proglodyte on the planet.


11 posted on 05/22/2015 3:51:56 AM PDT by Neoliberalnot (Marxism works well only with the uneducated and the unarmed.)
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I’ve seen all too many photos (and films) shot at the camps.I’m not sure I want to see a film even *more* vivid than the ones I’ve already seen.


12 posted on 05/22/2015 4:18:15 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Obama;America's Ambulance Chaser-In-Chief)
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To: Sherman Logan
The Nazis murdered about as many non-Jews as Jews.

I think Simon Weisenthal has said that about 11 million people died in the camps,about 6 million of whom were Jews.

13 posted on 05/22/2015 4:20:47 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Obama;America's Ambulance Chaser-In-Chief)
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CH4 in the UK showed it primetime (9pm) with much pre-press in the UK, it got large ratings.

I watched it, and it is the most horrific footage I have seen. But such a worthwhile film.


14 posted on 05/22/2015 4:54:54 AM PDT by the scotsman
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To: nickcarraway

Full documentary (warning, film is shockingly graphic)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPukz3rttrk


15 posted on 05/22/2015 4:56:27 AM PDT by the scotsman
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...and it is the most horrific footage I have seen.

That's exactly what I'm afraid of.I know that the Brits liberated some of the camps,we liberated some and the Ruskies did as well.I can see why Brits might take a special interest in this subject because,among other things,there were very probably more than a few who actually died in those camps.

I also find it interesting that Hitchcock was involved.

16 posted on 05/22/2015 5:20:15 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Obama;America's Ambulance Chaser-In-Chief)
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To: Cronos
however, there was also the Armenian holocaust, the Porajmos (slaughter of Gipsies by nazis), Rwanda etc.

Wounded Knee? The trail of tears?

We have our own history of shame.

Regards,
GtG

17 posted on 05/22/2015 5:20:17 AM PDT by Gandalf_The_Gray (I live in my own little world, I like it 'cuz they know me here.)
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Hitchcock,,

thanks.


18 posted on 05/22/2015 5:25:52 AM PDT by Big Red Badger (UNSCANABLE in an IDIOCRACY!)
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To: nickcarraway

Look to the Orson Welles movie, The Stranger.


19 posted on 05/22/2015 5:54:43 AM PDT by Terry L Smith
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To: the scotsman

Thank you for the link.


20 posted on 05/22/2015 5:56:35 AM PDT by Dryman (Define Natural Born Citizen)
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