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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity
Command level had a lot more discretion on many matters. I remember an ABH operated a red tagged elevator door. The elevator door bumped a Tomcat and it rolled into another Tomcat nose to nose. I don't remember anyone getting a court martial over it but it did major damage money wise. A mistake like that took several persons not just the guy punching the button. The plane wasn't spotted right as it should not have been that close to the door. I think the door was tagged out for maintenance. If it was Red Tagged the power should have also been off.

I do remember in the late 70's we lost a lot of planes it seemed like. One issue I think was with A-6 {can't remember variant} dropping like a brick right after launch. I remember at least one F-14 FD crash where the landing gear hit the round down. It snapped and the pilot hit hard starboard engine and rode it off the angle before jettison. That one was seen by VIP's on the bridge. We lost a S-3 and crew that caught the wrong wire. The public may not believe it but even allowing for the reduction in planes and pilots fewer planes are crashing. My cousin was on the GW in the Gulf War and they didn't loose a plane.

36 posted on 05/24/2015 4:16:36 PM PDT by cva66snipe ((Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?))
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To: cva66snipe

Dude, I was on the GW (CVN-73) in the Gulf War! We didn’t lose any planes, but we lost a helicopter in the Persian Gulf. It lost engine power, crashed about 5 miles from the carrier, and the crew was all picked up OK. There’s a bit of irony that the copter was photographed a couple days before it crashed and has a prominent photo in the cruise book.


38 posted on 05/24/2015 7:12:24 PM PDT by Excuse_My_Bellicosity (Death before disco.)
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To: cva66snipe
It's really true that fewer planes are crashing now. Looking at the mishap stats and accounting for flight hours (look at the mishap rates per 100,000 flying hours), planes really are crashing at a lower rate.

For the AF jets that I work now, they were falling out of the sky in early 1980s. The 1990s still had some really bad spikes. In the early 2000s, I was going out to crash sites pretty often as a technical assistant to Safety Investigation Boards. Now I do about one per year. The Class A's have dropped to nearly nothing, most of what I do now is assist Class B and Class C mishaps, which typically involves looking at pictures e-mailed to me, analyzing parts/assemblies that they send me, and giving my $0.02 on what the cause appears to be.

41 posted on 05/25/2015 12:18:54 PM PDT by Excuse_My_Bellicosity (Death before disco.)
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