Posted on 05/29/2015 4:51:25 AM PDT by don-o
It looks to me like you have done next to ZERO true due diligence on the real story. It takes a few hours of reading and following links and reading comments, but the truth is out and obvious to most. These people were arrested and are being held on excessive bail, had their properties seized, are being kept from their work and their families, on completely bogus grounds. And you are BUYING IT.
All because you've bought into a social template that is false.
“If the authorities have evidence of a crime committed by anyone let them take it before a judge.”
They have and are. Pray for justice.
If LE had wanted a killing spree while “lying in wait behind a scoped rifle at one hundred yards of less” don’t you think there would be more than 9 dead and 18 wounded? What stopped them, pray tell, if it was their intent to fire indiscriminately and take down as many as they could? Given the situation, Thank God there were only 9 dead. Others have said that LE counter-fire against the gang shooters is what prevented more deaths.
If you have read my other posts you would realize that I have spent dozens of hours reading available sources.
If you have read my other posts you would know I do have concerns about the independents and non-affiliated, and expect more of them to be released in the coming week.
If you have read my other posts you would know I am deeply troubled by the situation.
If you have read my other posts, you would know I am not into name calling, nor dismissing the comments of others with comments such as “wool over your eyes” or “ZERO due diligence” or “BUYING IT.” I credit fellow FReepers more highly than that. Maybe you should too. JUST SAYING! ; )
Servus, of course.
1. You have failed utterly to do any of your own digging into this and so have zero idea of the reality and are trusting strictly to a very limited (and factually flawed) group of "official" news stories.
2. You have reasons of your own for promoting and defending LEO in this when both available evidence and the law indicate clearly that they were totally in the wrong and abusive with their authority.
It seems to me you are one or the other. If you were honestly doing your own due diligence and researching who many of those folks in jail actually are, if you shot enough handguns and long guns to know the difference between the range needed for a decent pistol shot and a rifle shot, if you first-hand for decades knew and hung around Harley riders of all types including club-joiners and loners, if you respected the rule of law more than the authority of a badge and understood the profound difference ... then you would perceive that Waco travesty sets a very dangerous precedent that endangers American freedom FAR more than all the Bandidos and Cossacks (apparently many Cossacks clubs are simply riding buddy type groups of zero criminal enterprise) could do combined.
What do you think wasoute? Am I missing something?
“Am I missing something?”
Obviously you are missing a great deal because you obviously have not read my other posts.
They have and are.
Wrong, and THAT is apparent after even only a little serious, honest, open-minded digging and DUMPING your foolish stereotypes of "bikers." The police lack evidence to have arrested and certainly to have detained these people incommunicado, and by the time each one's case goes to a judge some if not many of these folks' reputations, financial, and professional lives will be in shambles.
Frankly, when you make such a stupid statement that merely being at a restaurant for a long-publicized event at the time of a shooting is enough evidence that a guy with landscape company, a wife, and three kids in town, or the guy and his son who have a Harley dealership down the road, NONE with prior criminal records, apparently -- should be arrested -- frankly, your posts are not worth reading.
Methinks you are, simply, a bootlicker.
“Methinks you are, simply, a bootlicker.”
Name calling is something I do not resort to.
Three of the Vice Grips Clubs have been released, and did I not conclude justifiably so?
“Where have all the flowers gone?”
I agree with your bio post.
Like Doyle’s hound the absence of a number of facts speak louder than the facts themselves. As Our Lord said, “Let those who have ears hear.”. It is late in the day I fear. With BJ Clinton we had Ruby Ridge, Waco, OKC. Now with the Klown we have this. Say what you will about “W” but as far as I can recall no American bled to death on American soil due to his treason or incompetence. I have seen passing reference to BATF being involved in this as well as DOJ. If there was so much as a casual email between Waco PD and either of the aforementioned agencies we have a very serious pro lem on our hands here. Let them who have ears hear. Produce the person who gave the order to fire and let that person justify what they have done, if they can. We can know to a moral certainty what failure to do so means and we will act accordingly. The governor of Colorado had sense enough to call the Guard back to Denver from Ludlow. Will those who can act as responsibly now? Time runs short. While it may seem subsequent events have smothered the relevance of this event, those who guard the guards are paying attention.
What exactly is a thoughtful, rational person to DO with all of this?
The most disturbing aspect is the willingness of some FReepers to resort to name calling.
Somewhat on this thread, esp. recent posts; more on other threads relating to the topic.
I have seen posts calling other FReepers names, attacking them in personal ways such as to their IQ, or to their sexual inclinations — unprovoked personal attacks. WHY? (Rhetorical question).
How can we engage in a conversation, to arrive at TRUTH? With such name calling?
Of course this is not your doing, nor the result of your posting this source. You have been tolerant of others in your own, our, mutual search of truth.
I have seen — pictures of cops who also deserve the presumption of innocence — having their pictures circled in red with accusatory remarks. Might that not jeopardize not only their personal reputations, but their lives? HOW does the wanton, emotional accusation of LE guilt, without specific evidence, before any ruling by court of law, differ from the assertion that bikers have been unduly charged? Who are indeed having due process even if not in the most expeditious manner.
WHAT exactly is going on here?
This is not the Free Republic forum I joined 15 years ago. Now, Freepers are forced off the forum by personal attacks. Opinions, based up evidence, are not wanted here by some, if they do not agree with the “approved narrative.”
That is the modus-operandi of the left, NOT of Free Republic! That is the tactic of the left. Silence other view points, by any means. Name calling, etc., all is fair game, to shut down alternative opinion.
FR has always been and should still be FAR BETTER THAN THAT. Not on this and related threads, sadly. OH many of you have been willing to honestly engage in debate. Still, again, the name calling surfaces.
I will contribute to this forum to the extent I feel compelled to do so. Otherwise, I am quite disgusted as to the discourse of some.
This is a SAD time, not only for our Great Country, but for the Free Republic forum, when one cannot express a reasoned opinion without being subject to name calling. Another sad day for our Great Country. Servus of course. Not that it matters.
I do not see much use in intemperate language, name calling etc. But, my concern with it is way down the list in light of the serious issues that this case raises. “Who shall guard the guardians?” is the most important question that a free people must deal with.
Your theory in post #32 sounds plausible. But if it is, then why do you conclude with “The truth will come out”?
Maybe the truth won’t come out.
I like to keep the bad guys worried.
Good point. Anyway, after having read more of this thread, past your #32 (though not the whole thread in this short of time) I have come to respect more what you write in #32. Very good piece of logical deduction on your part. Of course, it doesn’t prove anything, but it is a good working theory.
My hope is that there is some group with the sufficient resources and motivation to prevent a coverup. There’s nothing I hate more than a coverup. Whether its professional leftist agitators in Ferguson working a contract, or Hillary and her malicious career of high-priced treason, or the lynch-mob prosecutor in Baltimore, or (quite possibly) a gang of trigger-happy badges in Texas. I do want the truth to come out, in all cases, at all times.
“Who shall guard the guardians?”
In this case, primarily the local level. Those dead and arrested are Texans. It happened in Waco. People there know better than we do if their LE are generally to be trusted at the town and county level.
At least some of the information we are all speculating about is public record, available at the Court House. Local people and local reporters can easily do that. Other information could be obtained under Freedom of Information requests.
If the County does not like the way their Sheriff or DA operates, they don’t even have to wait for the next election to start a recall.
Locals also would be more aware of the gang situation, as there would likely have been reporting on the incidents that led up to the conflict at Twin Peaks.
Any investigative reporting team could go to Waco and find out all of the above and then some.
As I mentioned I am keeping a spread sheet of those arrested. I am waiting for information about this week’s hearings, etc. But to me it is a list of names — I don’t know which ones are violent criminals, and which ones got “caught up” in the situation. Local people know these people, such as the ones who had their bonds drastically reduced and presumably there will be more this week.
Locals will be on the juries when the cases finally go to trials. Local citizens and reporters can go down to the court house and attend any of the hearings in the mean time.
That also happens to be the way our system of governance works. Texas is a Sovereign State to the extent the Federal Government does not exceed its enumerated powers. Outsiders need not tell locals who to vote for at the City and County level. It is their right to vote for the candidate of their choice. I have not looked up the party of the DA or Sheriff, etc.
No one is going to get the answers any more quickly by calling other people names.
I’d worry more about Jade Helm than McClennan County.
“being at a restaurant for a long-publicized event”
It might have been scheduled and publicized, but it was not a typical meeting of the Confederation of Clubs and Independents.
Say, you show up at what you thought was going to be a regular meeting, and see 60-70 Cossacks and Scimitars there. You also see LE presence.
You have options.
Hmmm, you think, guess I’ll order a beer.
Or, this looks like trouble, get back on your bike and leave the scene before the 100 Bandidos roll up.
You could have been killed. I’m glad you weren’t.
BTW bikers wear boots, there seems to be a lot of licking of 1%ers boots.
If a bunch of new bikers show up and make trouble there will be blood.
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