Posted on 06/01/2015 8:31:09 PM PDT by nickcarraway
One of the primary contentions, yesterday evening, of Establishment Republicans and Democrats in defense of the NSA's massive data collection program, was that the program was not only free from abuse (something we know is not true), but that it's ultimately useful in targeting real threats to the American people; maybe not yesterday, maybe not today, but perhaps some day in the future it will ensnare an entire sleeper sell of Jihadists mid-phone call to Iran, giving an unsecured credit card number to their yellowcake suppliers. The data collection, you see, is done only on those whose backgrounds demand it. If you've done nothing wrong? Then why worry that your cell phone data records are stored on a massive supercomputer in Utah, where they can be routinely downloaded and searched?
One thing they forgot to mention? The Obama Administration, which has greatly expanded warrantless wiretapping, has a very interesting definition of who consitutes a threat. They haven't been entirely forthcoming (or maybe they have, really) in who they focus on when it comes to things like "lone-wolf terrorist" or "threats to the very nature of our social fabric." And that's because, when they use the terms, they don't really mean the homegrown groups of Jihadists that Lindsey Graham or Dan Coats envisions, plotting to put a dirty bomb in a shopping mall or release anthrax into Congress's air ducts.
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What an absolutely target rich environment.
Frankly, you demonstrate a complete lack of understanding as to how it works.
Real time access to the meta data is required to connect the dots so that you know you have need to seek the FISA warrant.
If you have to sort through stored data from a variety of vendors, it is likely you will never be able to make critical connections.
It is more complex than “A” talking to “B”, because it is likely “B” is talking to “C” to implement the task.
They gotta collect all that data for the Great Purge in the near future!
I hope they have a lot of storage space. Just shelving my comments on the evil communist in our White House is a big job. They need to sort through huge numbers of posts to organize my comments on that drug-addled racist (none of which say anything nicer than that he’s too stupid and too lazy to be the Antichrist, even though he is just as evil as that ultimate adversary).
They need to carefully parse my thoughts on that racist Jew-hater’s potential end of life (whether alone, bitter, and frustrated because America survived his evil, or finding redemption and dying alone but relieved that good people were able to save the country despite his efforts). I do not want Obama to die in office, not because he deserves any human compassion or consideration at all, but because as a martyr his evil actions would be harder to undo once we again have a real president.
It’s a big job, and I’m just one of many hundreds of thousands of patriotic Americans willing to post truthfully about the evil in our White House. The real threat to America is in our White House, and I’m sure this program is not bothering to collect information on that traitor.
Geesh....then according to you and your claim that real-time collection is needed would mean that your carrier shouldn’t even be able to print out that detailed billing they send you each month on your cell phone, huh?
Secondly, blanket collection of data from private citizens who have NOT been shown to be criminal and that does not carry the benefit of sworn warrant is against the intent of the 4th Amendment.
This government lies about what it does, DNIC Clapper lied to Congress and had to retract it. Hide behind all the good intentions and honor you think these people have along with the likes of Lois Lerner, Holder and DoJ, Koskinen and all the rest of them. It still won’t change what they are.
Your understanding seems clouded to me. You still believe they are trying to protect us from terrorists even though they won’t even use the word.
it could well be BOTH yahoo....and the NSA
she’s too busy suing movie theaters (who is she paying off) and fifa... and ferguson, baltimore and cleveland and bakeries that wont cater to sodomites and airlines that wont serve closed diet coke cans to muzzies ( because one lovely muzzie woman found a way to inject a liquid into one and put it in the bathroom of an airline trying to cause an explosion) and high fat snacks and abercrombie and headscarves... she be real bizzie with such important shit...
she’s too busy suing movie theaters (who is she paying off) and fifa... and ferguson, baltimore and cleveland and bakeries that wont cater to sodomites and airlines that wont serve closed diet coke cans to muzzies ( because one lovely muzzie woman found a way to inject a liquid into one and put it in the bathroom of an airline trying to cause an explosion) and high fat snacks and abercrombie and headscarves... she be real bizzie with such important STUFF
It is NOT “collection of content”!!!
The USSC has already ruled that Meta Data collection is NOT protected under the 4th Amendment.
Yes. Go take your CAC card and put it in your alcove shrine each night and keep telling yourself that each time you cash your paycheck.
You can whine all night about “what might be”, but the discussion is about the content of the law.
Actually this thread is about something entirely outside 'content of law'. It began about the DoJ 'hiring' some university to conduct "studies" of social media under the guise of collecting trends, opinions and feelings of the 'populace' about vague 'right wing' or 'conservative' thoughts that might be considered as potentially dangerous.
Why did they, DoJ, choose it this way? Perhaps because they don't want to more violations of the law regarding privacy and government surveillance under their belt. Instead, they issue a vague RFQ and this university wins the contract to do their dirty work for them. Do you think we'll even see their final report and appended data? If you're as smart as you think you are, research bank on stuff like this and the female professor operative under grant who researched and located all these recalcitrants.
Lastly, I've been around a long time. I remember IBM hard drives that were a whopping 10MB and the PCs were 7 grand. I am also keenly aware of the astronomical advances in data rates and storage. Further, I also understand very well about metadata that wraps content and what throughput and simplicity is when it comes to having unlimited storage.
They've admitted they sift emails. They've had to admit they 'only' collect metadata after having been caught in a lie. They photograph every addressee and return address on every envelope, they scan and collect it all.
To think that they have everything in each phone call digitally and every bit of RF data on this planet given the massive storage capacity they've developed along with compression algorithms and don't have access to it when they deign to ask for a rubberstamp FISA approval is absurd. "Build it and they will come".....they cannot help but be tempted with they delude themselves it is 'good' for the nation.
Me too.
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Too, check the beefy "fans" in the row behind, they look like they're from WWF. Yeah, you see that every day at Wrigley and Camden Yards.
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